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re: Christian group lambasts Virginia restaurant for 'stunning' service denial
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:50 pm to BayouBlitz
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:50 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:I have no idea what you're referencing. Which conservatives did this?
Kinda like the conservatives applauding Putin for outlawing LGBTQ propaganda in that other thread? Goes both ways.
As to your larger point, I disagree 100%. I think conservatives are much more driven by principle than are Leftists. Harriet Miers is a good example
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:51 pm to Azkiger
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Haven't seen the LGBTQ community build a society, so not quite.
That's how you judge which citizens get free speech and which don't? Lol. Ok.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:53 pm to L.A.
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This is my problem with the Left. Nothing they do is based in principle. They waged war since the 60's for free speech, but it turns out they only wanted free speech for themselves. They don't value privacy; they just love abortion. They don't hate discrimination. They just hate conservative Christians.
The preach...no, demand, tolerance but in their mind tolerance only goes one way.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:54 pm to the808bass
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I’m not arguing that’s the only route to take. But if Christians and conservatives just stopped going to Merzger’s they might see an immediate drop of 5-10% in revenue. That’s real dollars to a restaurant that’s probably not in great financial shape from the last three years.
I disagree.
There was a restaurant here in Covington that has an owner that went all in on BLM.
She even went the #burnitdown route online iirc.
It didn’t hurt her business.
In fact, she opened a second restaurant.
My take:
If these people were refused service based solely on their faith, then that is wrong and is discrimination - period. As such, legal action may be the ONLY thing that matters.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:56 pm to L.A.
The left simply hates anyone that is the opposite of their belief system.
Their devil is an image of a white male carrying a Bible headed to work on a road without trash.
Secularism is a religion and it has many purity tests just as most traditional religions do.
Their devil is an image of a white male carrying a Bible headed to work on a road without trash.
Secularism is a religion and it has many purity tests just as most traditional religions do.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:56 pm to BayouBlitz
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Kinda like the conservatives applauding Putin for outlawing LGBTQ propaganda in that other thread?
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Goes both ways.
No - it doesn’t.
Wrong is wrong.
Of course you would be defending this act of discrimination.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:56 pm to TeaParty
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If you want to serve Muslims over Christians your choice.
My problem with it is they waited until 1.5 hours before the event to cancel
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:56 pm to TigernMS12
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I guess everyone here thinks the Christian baker should be forced to serve the gay people too or the web designer forced to offer services to gay people.
Either people can serve who they wish or they have to serve everyone. Pick a side.
That's not necessarily how it works, and for good reason.
There are separate discrimination laws that apply to "public accommodations", which generally include restaurants. They are prohibited from discriminating based on certain criteria, including sexuality or religion.
There are a lot of defined terms and exceptions.
Here's a link to Virginia's law: Virginia Human Rights Act
Services that require "artistic expression" are often exempt. For example, one shouldn't be able to force a christian painter (assuming the painter qualifies as offering a "public accommodation") to paint imagery that conflicts with their personal beliefs. The baker who refused the gay couple might qualify under this exemption.
Now if a gay couple wants a painter to paint their dog, and the painter refuses BECAUSE the couple is gay, the painter could be liable. Gonna depend on each state.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:10 pm to BayouBlitz
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That's how you judge which citizens get free speech and which don't? Lol. Ok.
No, but we shouldn't pretend that banning LGBTQ gatherings will affect society in the same way as banning a large part of society's social foundation.
You might as well be clapping for a hole in your ships hull because someone else dared to put a hole in a room wall.
It's idiotic. Well, it's idiotic if you want the ship to remain afloat.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:05 pm to L.A.
If the cake baker can refuse service, so can everyone else.
The right has eviscerated the requirement that providers of public food have to serve people they disagree with. I personally don't support this new thing, but right wingers have gone to the Supreme Court for the right to refuse service. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
The right has eviscerated the requirement that providers of public food have to serve people they disagree with. I personally don't support this new thing, but right wingers have gone to the Supreme Court for the right to refuse service. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:16 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
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Somebody about to get paid.
I for one support the right of a business to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
How can one be a small govt minded conservative and legally force people to serve unwanted guests?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
The problem I have with it is the stupid excuse they used. They can’t be honest. Just say you hate Christians and you don’t want to serve them.
It wasn’t for the safety of the staff unless they are so weak that they are worried about their fricking mental health. Insane people like this are pathetic.
It wasn’t for the safety of the staff unless they are so weak that they are worried about their fricking mental health. Insane people like this are pathetic.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:23 pm to L.A.
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Looks like they were denied service because the restaurant staff finds their conservative Christian views to be offensive
Maybe the staff were afraid of violating the First Amendment or the Establishment Clause.....
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:24 pm to TBoy
quote:He WASN'T allowed to refuse service. The courts shut him down until he agreed to bake the cake
If the cake baker can refuse service, so can everyone else.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:24 pm to jackamo3300
quote:is always been about whoever hates the ideals upon which this country was founded. In the 50s and 60s, it was the communists and now it's Islamic fundamentalists. They will get in bed with anyone who hates America because they do too
It's always been about that other religion - the one considered among the cornerstones of western culture/civ.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:37 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:a private business i agree. Who wants to patronize someone who doesn’t want you there? Freedom of association is fine by me.
I for one support the right of a business to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
The government shouldn't be forcing people to conduct commerce with each other. If a business suffers then they learn a lesson in economics. If they prosper them they made a smart business decision.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:38 pm to roadGator
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Just say you hate Christians and you don’t want to serve them.
This Christian Foundation is very politically active. It not just a church that meets on Sunday. So it may be the politics more so than the religion that they took issue with IDK....they may just hate these Christians
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:43 pm to L.A.
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What we think about it is irrelevant. The courts have decided that they have too.
only for another month or two until Alito gets his way 
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:45 pm to Buryl
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Services that require "artistic expression" are often exempt. For example, one shouldn't be able to force a christian painter (assuming the painter qualifies as offering a "public accommodation") to paint imagery that conflicts with their personal beliefs. The baker who refused the gay couple might qualify under this exemption
People always like to leave out that the cake in question was pretty lewd and not just a cake.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:46 pm to L.A.
The United States is a Christian nation, founded on Christian values. All other religions should be made illegal, and attendance at an evangelical Christian church should be made compulsory for all citizens.
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