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Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:07 am to Strannix
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The classic. "they're not doing it right"
Go on...
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:09 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Chicken or the egg?
I dont see that big of a difference between dictatorships and one party rule. There has been no shortage of dictatorships throughout history, most of which squeeze unfavorable religions at some point in their history.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:11 am to NYNolaguy1
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I dont see that big of a difference between dictatorships and one party rule.
So your point that I was responding to was basically meaningless.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 11:12 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:18 am to Y.A. Tittle
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So your point that I was responding to was basically meaningless.
I am not sure I follow what you mean...
Originally I said
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I think this has more to do with Chinese totalitarianism than their "communism".
Its been some time since China was truly communist.
My point was that the reason they were squeezing Christianity is because of the fact they are ruled by one party who feel threatened by religion, and they in turn act like dictators.
Going after religion is a tactic that has been used across the world throughout history and has very little to do with the "communism" they claim to follow.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:25 am to Revelator
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I wonder why communist fear Christianity so much?
Because collectivist worldviews are anathema to a Christian worldview.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:12 pm to Salmon
Bs. This is a continuation of the war.
It didnt start there.
It didnt start there.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:31 pm to L.A.
With communists, expect communism.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:31 pm to boosiebadazz
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Who said you can’t pray in a public park?
No one. I said public places. Like high school and college graduations, high school and college football games, etc.
But if you want to get down to parks, are private citizens allowed to erect Nativity or Crucifixion scenes in public parks? Are they allowed to hold outdoor religious events without first getting the approval of the government?
This country has taken this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And converted it to this: "There shall be no display of religion or pronouncement of religion in public, government-owned places and/or during public, government-sanctioned activities because feelings..."
There is a huge difference between a high schooler saying a prayer during a high school commencement speech or a prayer before a sports activity and establishment of a state religion. Quite frankly, the second half of that passage, and the next part about that freedom of speech thing have been largely ignored when it comes to public displays of religion.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:34 pm to Revelator
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wonder why communist fear Christianity so much?
Government is their god, and zer is a jealous God.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:34 pm to L.A.
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Police Dynamite Christian Megachurch
I wonder how many power trios lost their gear? I bet there were metal strings and distortion pedals all over the place.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:50 pm to L.A.
With Communists, expect Communism
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:02 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I said public places. Like high school and college graduations, high school and college football games, etc.
I went to a Catholic high school and we prayed before every sporting and school event. Even had a Mass on Thursdays. However, can you see the distinction between that and a public school praying to the Christian god? And moreover, can't you still have moments of silent reflection at events at public schools?
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But if you want to get down to parks, are private citizens allowed to erect Nativity or Crucifixion scenes in public parks?
No, because the individual citizens don't own the park. The public entity does. Go try to live at the courthouse and see how that works out for you
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Are they allowed to hold outdoor religious events without first getting the approval of the government?
They'd have to follow the permitting process to use the public land just like any secular organization would have to.
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This country has taken this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And converted it to this: "There shall be no display of religion or pronouncement of religion in public, government-owned places and/or during public, government-sanctioned activities because feelings..."
That's fair, except I would change "because feelings" to "because other folks present may not share the same religious beliefs". Let's start praying to Allah before high school football games and see how well that goes over in North Louisiana.
We live in a society that just now allowed a complete legal fiction to ignore a completely secular law regarding taxation due to that legal fiction ostensibly practicing a religion through the beliefs of their individual, majority shareholders.
Think about that for a second the next time you think there is anything close to approaching a War on Christians in this country.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:08 pm to L.A.
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Christianity as a Western philosophy
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:13 pm to boosiebadazz
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I went to a Catholic high school and we prayed before every sporting and school event. Even had a Mass on Thursdays. However, can you see the distinction between that and a public school praying to the Christian god? And moreover, can't you still have moments of silent reflection at events at public schools?
I see the distinction, but I'm not talking about public schools mandating prayers. I'm talking about a student giving a short prayer during a speech at an event. Silent reflection is not the same as prayer.
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No, because the individual citizens don't own the park. The public entity does. Go try to live at the courthouse and see how that works out for you
Taxpayers don't own the parks? That's news to me. Governments should be able to say when public parks open and close, and proscribe conduct in the parks-but only so long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights protected by the Constitution and the Amendments.
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They'd have to follow the permitting process to use the public land just like any secular organization would have to.
And the permitting process over the past 30 years has been used to exclude religious expression. Local governments are now scared to sanction any Christian events in public parks for fear of being sued by those with differing beliefs from that religion.
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That's fair, except I would change "because feelings" to "because other folks present may not share the same religious beliefs". Let's start praying to Allah before high school football games and see how well that goes over in North Louisiana.
We live in a society that just now allowed a complete legal fiction to ignore a completely secular law regarding taxation due to that legal fiction ostensibly practicing a religion through the beliefs of their individual, majority shareholders.
Think about that for a second the next time you think there is anything close to approaching a War on Christians in this country.
If I lived in Pakistan, I wouldn't see a problem with the students praying to Allah before a soccer match, and I wouldn't moan and complain about it.
I never said that there was a "War on Christianity." Those are your words. I said that such a war starts by banning prayer in public places.
It is feelings. Nothing more. Little Johnny or little Mohamed's parents don't want them hearing even a short prayer for the good of those participating in whatever activity. They have the right to move and go wherever they want, but instead choose to live amongst it. And so instead of accepting that where they live has a certain cultural and religious foundation, they complain and moan and whine because little Becky said "Jesus-bless these graduates" or little Jimmy said, "God-please keep us safe during this game." This is an attempt to chip away at that religious and cultural foundation, and it has been going on for decades. Is it a slippery slope? Time will tell.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:16 pm to Salmon
quote:Not every action in war is a nuclear bomb being dropped. Smaller operations can be just as impactful over time.
now this is what actual War on Christianity looks like
perspective, people
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
Constantine converted to Christianity
and so went the Roman empire
and so went the Roman empire
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:19 pm to Revelator
quote:It's why leftists in the West want to remove religion and specifically attack Christianity. If you hold to a God that is greater than the government, the government doesn't have as much individual control over your soul and you aren't as likely to go along with whatever it wants. It's about control and government doesn't like to compete with God.
I wonder why communist fear Christianity so much?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:24 pm to The_Duke
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Constantine converted to Christianity
and so went the Roman empire
Great causal analysis there. Tell us more.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:24 pm to L.A.
The last thread where I pointed out all the religious repression in China and Vietnam received downvotes from the usual suspects. As long as they get cool food and awesome scenery and cheap prices on their vacations, right ?
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