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re: Check out this X post from Trump’s FCC Chairman nominee.

Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:33 am to
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:33 am to
It's odd that you are taking up for Big Tech (which a good anti-trust case can be brought against them) and not the general public and calling that authoritarian.

So in your mind, when the most fundamental right in this country is the core of the Big Tech business model you are okay with them quashing Americans 1st Amendment rights because they are a private company?
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 7:34 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:36 am to
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It's odd that you are taking up for Big Tech

I believe in freedom from forced governmental regulation and ensuring companies/individuals are free to make their own choices.

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and not the general public

My standards apply to the general public, too. I don't want government using force against them, either, allowing them to make their own choices.

I seem to have more faith in the general public to make their own choices than you. You want a Nanny state to protect them and want to use fedgov to regulate business to do this.

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and calling that authoritarian.

More government force = authoritarian.

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when the most fundamental right in this country is the core of the Big Tech business model

Commercial speech?

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you are okay with them squashing Americans 1st Amendment rights

How? How can Big Tech prevent a person from speaking their minds?

Relying on the contractual relationship between the parties (Service Agreement with the product Big Tech is selling) is a discussion of contractual law, not the 1st Amendment.

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because they are a private company?

I believe private parties should be allowed to contract with extremely minimal government intrusion into the agreement.

Government should only be used to enforce those contracts.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:40 am to
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How can Big Tech prevent a person from speaking their minds?


Did you miss all that time when the DHS and FBI employees were coordinating with Big Tech to quash right leaning voice circa 2020?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:44 am to
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Did you miss all that time when the DHS and FBI employees were coordinating with Big Tech to quash right leaning voice circa 2020?


Yes they restricted the use of their platform per their contract.

That didn't prevent those people from saying what they wanted; only using the resources and platform of the company to do so.

The government passed no law mandating this regulation on the population, generally. It was a dispute among private parties.

There is no right to Twitter or Facebook. Those relationships are based on contract.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 7:45 am
Posted by USAFTiger42
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:45 am to
And the radio stations Soros bought
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:49 am to
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SlowFlowPro


Your "above the fray" bullshite is tiresome because it always seems to go one way. Pontification from a false perspective is ineffective due to its transparency.
Posted by oldskule
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:51 am to
Don't you love common sense!
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:55 am to
Well if you feel like the new FCC Chairman is going too far with holding Big Tech accountable because they are hiding their censorship behind the guise of "NewsGuard" that leans heavy on promoting communists propaganda from China then sue him and the FCC.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:58 am to
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require all 'journalists' to be licensed; Those who report the news should be restricted to facts (or penalized). They should given the time honored protections to criminal & civil prosecution....but their work must be declared open and broadly.



Here is the problem. Who decides what are facts?

That's how we got in this mess to begin with.

Let people report whatever theu want. True or not. Don't limit it.

The readers cam decide the truth if they have all the facts, from both sides.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:58 am to
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Your "above the fray" bullshite is tiresome because it always seems to go one way. P

I am an outspoken believer in freedom of trade/contract and individual property rights. That's not being "above the fray" that's a policy preference I made in 2005 and have never backed down from promoting.

That used to be the dominant policy preference on this board. It's not some radical idea outside of leftist echo chambers.

Some people maintain their principles.



Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23304 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:59 am to
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Next, require all 'journalists' to be licensed; Those who report the news should be restricted to facts (or penalized).

Play that out to its logical conclusion.

Who determines what the facts are?

The Biden administration would’ve shutdown every right wing news outlet during his administration using politifact and other leftist fake fact checkers as their hammer.

I agree they should have to cite evidence like you would with a college term paper, but if you empower the government to decide what the truth is you’ll quickly end up with totalitarian propaganda.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:00 am to
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because they are hiding their censorship behind the guise of "NewsGuard"


Is NewsGuard in any way associated with state or federal government, or is it a private company?

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then sue him and the FCC.

Naw. I will just point out the hypocritical leftism by those who claim to be anti-left.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:02 am to
Noted libertarian SFP sees no issue with government agents coercing corporate entities.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:02 am to
Looks like instead of crushing regulations this administration wants to increase them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:03 am to
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Noted libertarian SFP sees no issue with government agents coercing corporate entities.


Companies agreeing on their own = fine

Government using actual force (via regulation/legislation) = bad

Nothing wrong with private companies making their own choices. That's freedom and promotes libertarianism.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 8:04 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:06 am to
Lol. I assume that Fat Tony telling a restauranteur he “could die in a bomb blast” would be informational only and not amount to coercion.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:06 am to
You’re on tilt.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:07 am to
"Govern me harder, Daddy"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:10 am to
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Lol. I assume that Fat Tony telling a restauranteur he “could die in a bomb blast” would be informational only and not amount to coercion.


Talk about the sophistry you always like to reference

The regulations that exist between producer and consumer are that of contract. No force involved. A producer acting pursuant to that contract is private action. No government involved. None of this implicates the 1A in any way.

Making social media a utility is a huge expansion of government and erosion of the ability of private parties to make their own decisions. That's leftist-socialism bullshite.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 8:13 am to
Well it looks like in this specific case the argument is around the language "good faith" under existing law, "Section 230". I kind of hope Big Tech sues the FCC and this goes to court so at least there with be some court precedent that will define the extent of "good faith".
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