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re: Check out this X post from Trump’s FCC Chairman nominee.

Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:55 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:55 am to
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Do you really want a bureaucracy overseeing opinions and evaluations, generally?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:56 am to
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What new regulations are being placed on big tech?

Did you even read the letter?

The FCC is attempting to interfere with the contracts of the platform-user as well as the platform-third party producer, with the government acting as a determinative arm over the evaluations and opinions of private parties. The FCC wants to impose some response to social media for the actions of a third party vendor, because the government has evaluated the vendor's product and unilaterally determined it was subpar.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:58 am to
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I see we can now add irony and confused to that ever growing list of words you use incorrectly

Says the person promoting less regulation is promoting Leftist values.

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further solidifying that you are an objectively stupid person.

At least I understand the terms being used, like leftism/leftist. You are very confused as to what those mean and now their values are manifested.

Leftism = promoting regulation over commerce

I am doing the exact opposite of this. Explain how I'm promoting "the talking points of his progressive deities" by specifically arguing against their values.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:59 am to
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Imagine believing that cracking down on authoritarian censorship of speech of one side of the political spectrum

Private parties are allowed to act, even if there are political motivations.

I never said the actions of FB, etc. weren't political. The proper regulations of exerting politically-motivated decisions are the fiduciary duties of those who made the decision and answering to their board/stockholders, not governmental regulation.




Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:59 am to
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SFP really is the pigeon that plays chess...


Hes spot on here. While DOGE pretends its going to slash regulations, y'all are busy trying to implement far more.

its inanity, but your regulations will be better than theirs, somehow, eh?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:00 am to
I was against the misinformation czar for the same reasons.

These issues should be evaluated by the market/individuals, not government.

People post stupidity, dishonesty, and misinformation on here all the time. It's our job to point it out, not fedgov.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:05 am to
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SFP is trying to spin a thread that started with a Tommie Robinson rant against grooming gangs into being about illegal immigrants, and he gets pissy when I say that it's a shame that the Brits disarmed themselves because now they can't defend against this.


Wrong. The strawman is impressive. My actual comment:

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Guns won't win this political debate (in the US or UK).

You have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works.


Then you responded

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This isn't a political debate. It's self defense.

No different than US cops standing back and letting ANTIFA and BLM run free.

These migrants are having huge impacts on the local populace.



So I responded

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How do you plan on using guns in "self defense", exactly?

Do you think the answer above will increase or decrease your chances of positively impacting your policies at the polls?


Then you dodged for a long before admitting you wanted violence.

Violence will not "positively impact your policies at the polls".

You kept incorrectly interjecting grooming gangs into the discussion when they were irrelevant to the discussion.

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Then here he is spiking the football after I said that people should resort to violence to protect their children from grooming gangs.

Yes, because it proved my point.

Before you strawman it. I'll post it again:

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Guns won't win this political debate (in the US or UK).

You have to convince voters to support your policies. That's how democracy works.


LINK to my post. Receipts
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 11:07 am
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:06 am to
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Yet one of its own Advisory Board members signed the infamous Oct 2020 former intel officials letter falsely suggesting that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation.




Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47102 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:11 am to
Here’s to you, DV losers! Russian collusion? Tradecraft on Hunter’s laptops? It’ll always be real to you!!

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:17 am to
Another shining example of the damage these phony disinfo experts can do is Devin Nunes had a memo early in Russiagate that would have basically exonerated Trump. So, people got a Twitter hashtag going to release the memo. This trash outfit Hamilton 68 claimed some expertise in being able to identify bots and said it was all Russian bots pushing that. So, MSNBC relied on them as the experts. It came out in the Twitter files that was all lies - Twitter knew it was regular Americans promoting the memo. But, they didn't tell anyone.


Anyway, this is all a good discussion. I think I agree with SFP generally that the marketplace should expose these things. Taibbi and a few others are doing good work attacking the censorship industrial complex. But, real people suffered the consequences during Russiagate and COVID, so I understand the frustration. The Supreme Court decision still rubs me the wrong way.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by Honkus
Member since Aug 2005
57971 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:18 am to
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NewsGuard


Yeesh. Some facts for more factier than others I guess.
Posted by Mtwabp
Member since Oct 2024
164 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:08 pm to
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Says the person promoting less regulation is promoting Leftist values.

You aren’t promoting less regulation. You are promoting the continued selective regulation of the current system via the throttling of certain opinions and viewpoints. You are stupid enough to think other people aren’t fully aware this is happening.

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At least I understand the terms being used, like leftism/leftist. You are very confused as to what those mean and now their values are manifested.

I have never used the terms leftism of leftist. You don’t know what the word confused means.

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I am doing the exact opposite of this. Explain how I'm promoting "the talking points of his progressive deities" by specifically arguing against their values.

Because your progressive deities are the ones in charge of and/or using the platforms in question to selectively suppress certain people and/or belief systems, often at the behest of government agencies, and you are vehemently arguing against actions being taken to stop this from happening.

This is an incredibly simple concept. You just don’t understand it because you are an objectively stupid person.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21898 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:17 pm to
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897:

100%
Regulated.
Some platforms will collapse under own weight of illegal activities.


This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:29 pm to
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You aren’t promoting less regulation. You are promoting the continued selective regulation of the current system

No. I promote less regulation. Full stop.

I am specifically anti-Leftist in that regard.

I'm specifically anti-MAGA in this regard as well, apparently.

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via the throttling of certain opinions and viewpoints.

Private actors can act how they choose pursuant to the private contracts upon which they bind themselves.

I am against adding a layer of regulatory (federal, at that) oversight to private individuals agreeing to private contracts. I believe people can decide for themselves and don't need a Nanny state.

Again, this is specifically anti-Leftist.

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I have never used the terms leftism of leftist.

You said progressive. Tomato/tomato scenario.

If you understood the terms being used, you'd understand this.

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Because your progressive deities are the ones in charge of and/or using the platforms in question to selectively suppress certain people and/or belief systems

I don't personally agree with it, but I believe in the right of private actors to make their own choices. I'm not some authoritarian who wants to use government to punish private actors for making politically-based choices.

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often at the behest of government agencies

Again, private actors voluntarily agreeing to work with government is their choice. That choice exists in a free society.

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and you are vehemently arguing against actions being taken to stop this from happening.

Yes, I won't be swayed by emotional "won't someone think of the children" silliness to argue for government intrusion into our lives and the destruction of private liberty.

This is exactly why I am anti-Leftist/Progressive, because that's their move, especially in the economic arena.

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This is an incredibly simple concept. You just don’t understand it because you are an objectively stupid person.

Again, says the person who is clearly confused as to what is Leftist/Progressive and what is not.

Regulating private actors' economic choices = Leftism/Progressivism.

I am against this.
Posted by STigers
Gulf Coast
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:53 pm to
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Next, require all 'journalists' to be licensed; Those who report the news should be restricted to facts (or penalized).
Wr love our small government don’t we?

Maybe Trump can hire Jankowitz?

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:55 pm to
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Authoritarianism is bad, regardless of which part of the political compass we find it.
”Its different when our team does it!!!

This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:59 pm to
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How can Big Tech prevent a person from speaking their minds?
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Did you miss all that time when the DHS and FBI employees were coordinating with Big Tech to quash right leaning voice circa 2020?
The problem here is government, not “big tech”. This can be stopped without regulating “big tech”. The fact that more government regulation and power seems to be the choice here… over stopping government coercion is… telling.


Patriot Act Ii.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28110 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 2:59 pm to
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Did you even read the letter?

The FCC is attempting to interfere with the contracts of the platform-user as well as the platform-third party producer, with the government acting as a determinative arm over the evaluations and opinions of private parties. The FCC wants to impose some response to social media for the actions of a third party vendor, because the government has evaluated the vendor's product and unilaterally determined it was subpar.


What does that have to do with whether or not they're operating within pre-existing power structures or not?

I can't go and purchase unpasteurized milk from the Amish, apparently. We're long past allowing consenting adults and private businesses to handle their own affairs.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:02 pm to
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What does that have to do with whether or not they're operating within pre-existing power structures or not?


This would be a new step in adding powers to that power structure.

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I can't go and purchase unpasteurized milk from the Amish, apparently.


This isn't some gotcha. I don't believe in overregulation of food, either.

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We're long past allowing consenting adults and private businesses to handle their own affairs.

Ay, comrade.
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