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re: Charlie Kirk: You Cannot Be a Christian and Vote Democrat

Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:18 pm to
I’m talking about the Catholic Charities aiding people across the border.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:18 pm to
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Legal immigration, no problem there. The massive illegal immigrant flooding is a different issue.


What is the Christian argument against illegal immigration?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:19 pm to
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And tens of millions of democratic voters are Christian.


and actively go against the teachings of Christ. You can call yourself what you want, your judgement will come in the end.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:19 pm to
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I’m talking about the Catholic Charities aiding people across the border.


What specific Bible passage is against illegal immigration?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:19 pm to
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There is no specific book of Environmentalist dogma.


There’s plenty of them. The writings of Malthus. Emerson’s “Nature.” George Perkins Marsh’s “Man and Nature.” And then the environmentalists…. Hold onto your hat… pick and choose which of those ideas they would like to apply.

You view religion as a completely separate category of ideas. And once again, we’re back to my first post about your understanding of religion.
Posted by Lg
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:22 pm to
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Trump is a horrible person to endorse as a Christian, especially Christians in the public sphere.



This is the same thing society said about Matthew back in the day. I think Jesus thought otherwise.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:23 pm to
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There is no specific book o

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There’s plenty of them.


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And then the environmentalists…. Hold onto your hat… pick and choose which of those ideas they would like to apply.

Yes, because there is not a specific book of dogma.

Christianity? There is a specific book of dogma.

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You view religion as a completely separate category of ideas

Because of what religion is. It's a fully-contained belief system allegedly crafted by a higher power and given to us plebs.

If you believe that contained system is real, that creates the parameters of the religion.

If you argue that religion should guide public policy, then the entire system has to be used.

Otherwise, you're not using the word of that god and its contained system anymore, you're using individual preferences (which do not require a religion, like environmentalists)
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:23 pm to
What are you babbling about?

I never said there was one.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:24 pm to
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What is the Christian argument against illegal immigration?


That it’s illegal.
Posted by hawkeye007
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:25 pm to
no that should be the point he is making and it would generate way more hits than the other BS points he makes sometimes.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:26 pm to
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Yes, because there is not a specific book of dogma. Christianity? There is a specific book of dogma.


Sure. And there’s other additional factors for every variety of Christian.

Are you saying religions without a central text would be viewed differently by you with regards to a political participation? Because that sounds as retarded as I would expect you to be on this subject.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:27 pm to
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What are you babbling about?

I never said there was one.


So a DEM can argue that those who are against open migration of Christians into America are not Christian, right?

Or are we going to settle on "government shouldn't be guided by religion" in that specific context?

Just like you asked, "How does a Christian support the abortion loving party?" it can be flipped around in to "How does a Christian support denying Christians entry into our Christian country?"
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:27 pm to
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Yes, because there is not a specific book of dogma.


What is the book of Exodus, then?
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:27 pm to
He's right
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:27 pm to
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This is the same thing society said about Matthew back in the day. I think Jesus thought otherwise.


No, it’s not. That’s not enough roughly analogous. You could have tried Judas. But that would have been a bridge too far, I suspect.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:27 pm to
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That it’s illegal.


So man-made laws dictate Christian beliefs?

Democrat would love that argument
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:28 pm to
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If you argue that religion should guide public policy, then the entire system has to be used.


You have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:28 pm to
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What is the Christian argument against illegal immigration?


That it’s illegal.


Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:28 pm to
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So man-made laws dictate Christian beliefs?



You better tone back your smugness. You're not going to like the fact that the Bible and it's teachings were established long before immigration laws.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:29 pm to
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Are you saying religions without a central text would be viewed differently by you with regards to a political participation?


No, and I already covered that

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It's a fully-contained belief system allegedly crafted by a higher power and given to us plebs


The system is fully-contained, not necessarily a text. Religion existed before the written word.

It's the fully-contained construct that creates the problems, not method of communication to followers.
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