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re: Can we admit this was the wrong time to call out the "alt left"?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:16 am to Salmon
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:16 am to Salmon
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Trump has changed that. People literally dissect every Trump tweet.
The media questioning him and complaining about him bringing up ANTIFA have had the power to speak up from day one and had more power to access more Americans.
You can excuse their silence and the silence of the left for the last year by deflecting all you want, but the reality is, they didn't give a frick. Hell, on more than one occasion, they practically cheered it(see Chicago)......see all the times events had to be cancelled for "safety concerns".
And, to be perfectly blunt, they are effectively cheering ANTIFA from this past weekend when they say, "but they aren't the Nazis, they are the ones who oppose Nazis"............In other words, it is flat out OK with the left and the Press that ANTIFA showed up to commit violence because the target was acceptable to them.
Never mind that ANTIFA has been labeling everyone to the right of Stalin NAZIs.
The left now completely owns ANTIFA and, they're going to regret that because they're not going to be so lucky as to have all of ANTIFA's victims continue to be Nazi flag holders.
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:16 am to Breesus
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Yes. Exactly that. I believe in free speech and assembly.
I believe we have as a country mistaken the true meaning of the first amendment. Showing up at a rally with body armor and weapons certainly isn't what the founding fathers meant to protect. Neither is blocking traffic, destroying buildings, burning gas stations to the ground, beating people who disagree with you up, silencing those who you disagree with, etc etc.
This lies ENTIRELY at the feet of Obama and his Justice Department, for 8 years the left just did whatever they wanted and labeled it "free speech" did none of them think that eventually the right was going to say "frick this" and fight back?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:17 am to stout
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Yea the other side is so peacful
The other side is directly responsible for the deaths of 8 LEO's, 5 in DFW and 3 in Baton Rouge, people who truly love America need to keep the facts flowing into the public consciousness.
The Swamp/leftists/Enemedia must not win the battle for the soul of America.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:17 am to Breesus
I'm not suggesting they don't have a right to say what they want....I'm saying the argument of "both sides are equal" is complete and utter horseshite.
When a group is chanting kill Jews and wearing nazi garb outside your door, people are going to react. And they did...with counter protests, exercising their own rights.
Then violence happened because, you know, "kill Jews"...and one a-hole went so far as to kill people. He probably thought they were Jews.
Simply saying "hey these are just like you kids fighting" or, "two sides of the same coin" is such a chicken shite way out. No they are not. One side is Nazi sympathizers white supremacists. They other side was a group of locals standing up for their home town to Nazis...mixed with some communist idiots who were there to fight Nazis but not espousing beliefs of genocide.
When a group is chanting kill Jews and wearing nazi garb outside your door, people are going to react. And they did...with counter protests, exercising their own rights.
Then violence happened because, you know, "kill Jews"...and one a-hole went so far as to kill people. He probably thought they were Jews.
Simply saying "hey these are just like you kids fighting" or, "two sides of the same coin" is such a chicken shite way out. No they are not. One side is Nazi sympathizers white supremacists. They other side was a group of locals standing up for their home town to Nazis...mixed with some communist idiots who were there to fight Nazis but not espousing beliefs of genocide.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:17 am to Salmon
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there have been like 2 people addressing the point I'm making the rest are just emotionally vomiting all over their keyboards
When people watch their fellow Americans get assaulted for a year, they're going to tend to not give a frick what the people who were silent think about their opinion.
Moreover, WE predicted this would happen while the left winked at it.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:18 am to ShortyRob
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You can excuse their silence and the silence of the left for the last year by deflecting all you want,
I'm not excusing their silence. I'm not excused anyone's silence.
You are the one deflecting Trump's silence by constantly trying to turn this around on the media.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:18 am to Salmon
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I'm not excusing their silence. I'm not excused anyone's silence.
You are the one deflecting Trump's silence by constantly trying to turn this around on the media.
Best of luck here.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:19 am to PDXDawg
quote:You are correct.
I'm not suggesting they don't have a right to say what they want....I'm saying the argument of "both sides are equal" is complete and utter horseshite.
If one group is a nasty group and they hold nasty signs and another group shows up to whip their arse, the latter group is FAR worse.
In America at least.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:19 am to Salmon
And Ferguson was the wrong time to call out the police. This isn't new.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:19 am to PDXDawg
"Kill Whitey"
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:19 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Showing up at a rally with body armor and weapons certainly isn't what the founding fathers meant to protect.
Amendment 1: right to free speech and peaceful assembly
Amendment 2: right to bare arms
It's literally the first two.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:20 am to PDXDawg
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Nazis marching outside your door chanting kill Jews and "blood and soil" and you're like "bro, they have a permit".
So when BLM marched down the street yelling "we want dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" you would have been fine with the KKK showing up and wrecking stuff?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:20 am to Salmon
quote:Wait. Now you're going to actually assert it's a lie to say that ANTIFA was completely ignored to the point that you have liberals saying, "who is ANTIFA?"
You are the one deflecting Trump's silence by constantly trying to turn this around on the media.
I mean come the frick on.
Piss on all of you people who winked at it like it was no big deal.
ANTIFA is your baby. I frankly hope that at some point, one of their violent assed groups walks in to a massacre.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:20 am to PDXDawg
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PDXDawg
You don't appear to understand the first amendment at all. Hate speech is protected. You don't get to on your own say "hey I don't like that speech so lets show up with weapons and see what happens."
and then blame the other side.
BOTH sides acted stupidly here, it's by sheer flip of the coin that someone on the right killed someone rather than the other way around. DO YOU GET THAT?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:21 am to ShortyRob
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If one group is a nasty group and they hold nasty signs and another group shows up to whip their arse, the latter group is FAR worse.
be honest, both groups knew what was coming
the group with nasty signs had more than just nasty signs
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:21 am to Lg
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So when BLM marched down the street yelling "we want dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" you would have been fine with the KKK showing up and wrecking stuff?
The left is having a very hard time seeing the obvious.
Not only didn't the "dead cops" people get assaulted.
They got fricking interviewed to discuss their grievances!!!
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:22 am to ShortyRob
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Wait. Now you're going to actually assert it's a lie to say that ANTIFA was completely ignored to the point that you have liberals saying, "who is ANTIFA?"
What the hell? How do you get that?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:22 am to Salmon
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lacking all situational awareness
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Donald Trump
checks out
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:22 am to Salmon
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be honest, both groups knew what was coming the group with nasty signs had more than just nasty signs
Be honest.
Would YOU show up to ANY conservative rally unprepared for ANTIFA after the last year?
LOL. You assholes really are going to blame people for KNOWING ANTIFA is violent for being prepared for their violence?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:22 am to Salmon
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Can we admit this was the wrong time to call out the "alt left"?
It was the perfect time as evidenced by your melt here.
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