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re: Can someone tell me the legitimate list of what SHOULD have been done re: CV19?
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Those screaming federal lock downs and what not are 1. The same type to scream Trump is hitler and 2. Have a very minimal understand of our government system.
We couldn’t have New Zealand numbers without shitting on the constitution, spending out the arse and gangbanging state rights.
We couldn’t have New Zealand numbers without shitting on the constitution, spending out the arse and gangbanging state rights.
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Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
what context do you mean this question?
do you mean to look at it with today's knowledge and hindsight to say "what could/should we have done differently" or "what could we have reasonably expected us to do differently with the knowledge at the time" and we just chose wrong?
two different answers
do you mean to look at it with today's knowledge and hindsight to say "what could/should we have done differently" or "what could we have reasonably expected us to do differently with the knowledge at the time" and we just chose wrong?
two different answers
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:53 pm to Tiguar
quote:
do you mean to look at it with today's knowledge and hindsight to say "what could/should we have done differently" or "what could we have reasonably expected us to do differently with the knowledge at the time" and we just chose wrong?
two different answers
That's somewhat reasonable. How would your ansswers differ?
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:56 pm to TigerDoc
The difference here is, weve established a standard of local politicians assuming complete and utter control over their constituents at the onset of any declared "emergency". Wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc. will all now come with a side of authoritarianism. There is a movement currently to name heatwaves as weather emergencies. This is an extremely slippery slope we are on.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:58 pm to longwayfromLA
for one, right now its obvious this wasnt a super-bug murdering Italians in their sleep. there would be no need to shut down at all to see whats going on if we're considering current hindsight
if we're not considering our current knowledge and saying "well we just chose wrong", I think the initial 2 week shut down was reasonable just to see what we were dealing with and make sure it wasn't some airborne bubonic plague. once it became obvious of what this was, it was time to tell everyone to wear masks and open up everything.
additionally, I think in any context, you can argue we should have shut down travel to europe when we did china, too.
if we're not considering our current knowledge and saying "well we just chose wrong", I think the initial 2 week shut down was reasonable just to see what we were dealing with and make sure it wasn't some airborne bubonic plague. once it became obvious of what this was, it was time to tell everyone to wear masks and open up everything.
additionally, I think in any context, you can argue we should have shut down travel to europe when we did china, too.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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but I don't see anyone talking about the accumulation of issues that's occurring.
oh i have. it could be really bad...likely end up in a war with China eventually (b/c they're using this depression as a way to consolidate power and buying more assets while the value is depreciated)
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:27 pm to Tiguar
quote:
do you mean to look at it with today's knowledge and hindsight to say "what could/should we have done differently" or "what could we have reasonably expected us to do differently with the knowledge at the time" and we just chose wrong?
i don't think either/both are out of boudns
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That may be the biggest understatement you've ever posted. But to answer your question, once "the CDC fricked up initially," there was not much else the government could have done.
Yea, the CDC fricked up initially
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
The Dims should’ve immediately put Shampeachment on hold in late January early February and put their efforts into preparing for the impending pandemic but the Dims are never concerned about doing what’s right of best for Americans.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I've said it over and over:
Can someone tell me the legitimate list of what SHOULD have been done re: CV19?
I mean back in March. At the federal level.
Trump should have added a respected economist and a respected ethicist to his "daily briefings" instead of turning it over to Birx and Fauci. He also should have done less daily briefings.
If he had insisted on a full cost/benefit analysis played out in the open, then we would have had less of a chance of the average American thinking that 9% of the entire US population had already died of coronavirus.
I still think it's under-realized to what extent the "shutdown" is being driven by private citizens actively afraid to participate. Anything that would have contributed to that 9% number being lower would have been iteratively economically helpful.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
wrong choices outside of obvious CDC frick ups (this list would be alot longer if I included those):
1. telling people masks dont work to begin with
2. only shutting down travel from china
3. making any comments to initial severity of virus in feb/march (it will just disappear etc)
4. shutting down more than 2-3 weeks once we realized what was going on
wrong choices based off what we know now:
1. ever shutting everything completely down more than 2 weeks all at once. obvious correct choices were either never shutting down and just using masks or rolling 2 week shutdowns once a metro area was deemed a hotspot
2. $600/week unemployment. too much
3. trump giving governors too much lee-way. theyre obviously fricking retarded
4. trump employing fauci beyond april
1. telling people masks dont work to begin with
2. only shutting down travel from china
3. making any comments to initial severity of virus in feb/march (it will just disappear etc)
4. shutting down more than 2-3 weeks once we realized what was going on
wrong choices based off what we know now:
1. ever shutting everything completely down more than 2 weeks all at once. obvious correct choices were either never shutting down and just using masks or rolling 2 week shutdowns once a metro area was deemed a hotspot
2. $600/week unemployment. too much
3. trump giving governors too much lee-way. theyre obviously fricking retarded
4. trump employing fauci beyond april
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:31 pm to Tiguar
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making any comments to initial severity of virus in feb/march (it will just disappear etc)
Trump’s comments really hamstrung him on the virus. Not because they were any different than the other politicians’ comments. But because every word he says is used against him in a unique way.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think scaling up testing production is a legitimate inquiry. Other than that? Probably not much unless you want to get real authoritarian.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:36 pm to FooManChoo
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Trump should have looked into the future and saw that Democrats would murder their own people by sending infected people to assisted living facilities and ordered that not to happen.
That's one thing that Dr. Fauci the Fraud should have told his Dem friends in NY, NJ and elsewhere. Maybe he could have actually saved some lives from stupid policies, but he didn't. He should have been fired then and there so he could write love letters to Hillary full time.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:40 pm to the808bass
yeah that’s why I list that as a mistake.
should avoid definitive predictions like that.
same reason with the mask shite. saying they don’t work then changing your mind looks retarded
should avoid definitive predictions like that.
same reason with the mask shite. saying they don’t work then changing your mind looks retarded
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Can someone tell me the legitimate list of what SHOULD have been done re: CV19?
Is it now the emerging consensus of this Board that it was totally inevitable that:
160K and counting people were going to be dead from this thing
it would be a rising concern in all summer
it would be threatening the school year and sports in the fall
If that's where the new information that's fine, just saying that is a helluva migration since the "no worse than flu days" of February.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:47 pm to longwayfromLA
You work at a NY hospital. Don’t break an arm patting yourself on the back.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:48 pm to longwayfromLA
Some of us were saying the cats out of the bag and it’s over in March.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:49 pm to the808bass
he's 100% right
this board was LITTERED with threads about how this would't be worse than the flu, the summer would kill it, HCQ would kill it, etc
hell, it still is to a large extent
the same people who promoted those incorrect assertions haven't stopped with the hot takes, either
this board was LITTERED with threads about how this would't be worse than the flu, the summer would kill it, HCQ would kill it, etc
hell, it still is to a large extent
the same people who promoted those incorrect assertions haven't stopped with the hot takes, either
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
He is right about what was wrong. That’s easy now.
He’s also wrong about what’s right. He’ll tell you we could’ve replicated Singapore or New Zealand if we were really serious about it.
He’s also wrong about what’s right. He’ll tell you we could’ve replicated Singapore or New Zealand if we were really serious about it.
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