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re: Can someone tell me the legitimate list of what SHOULD have been done re: CV19?
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:17 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:17 pm to tigerfoot
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Ok, open schools. How was left completely up to local jurisdictions and they are for the most part, clueless. CDC should have been running hot and heavy concerning schools for the last 100 days. They virtually ignored until the last 30.
They issued guidance in May.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:18 pm to hawkeye007
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the biggest thing we needed was Trump to be on board with this virus. His leadership has been horrible. He has spread so much doubt that has hurt the flow of correct information.
I've been highly critical of Trump on the virus (he did WAY TOO MUCH), but it's ridiculous to argue he "has hurt the flow of correct information" when there is little-to-no correct information out there. We don't even know how many people have/had the virus. We're still guessing on how it's best transmitted, and still pretending that masks make a difference while looking at reported cases relative to mask mandates and see no benefit. Hell, we can't even get everybody on the same page about what a COVID death is, and how many we've actually had.
"Follow the science" is a joke when science is following politics.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trump said it never should have been let out of China. By that logic he should have done what he thought China should have done when US only had 15 cases.
Trump killed my neighbors
Trump killed my neighbors
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:22 pm to Turbeauxdog
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They issued guidance in May.
[img]r Immediate Release: Thursday, July 23, 2020
Contact: Media Relations
(404) 639-3286
Today, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is releasing new science-based resources and tools for school administrators, teachers, parents, guardians, and caregivers when schools open this fall.[/img]
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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Even with a vaccine. The civil unrest this is going to unleash is going to be something severe, and will take upwards of a decade to fully play out. The geopolitics of the post-COVID world are extremely fricked. There are a multiplicity of crises pretty much everywhere, and no one has even begun to address them.
oh i just meant the UBI issue, and whether lockdown + UBI will be more or less costly than lockdown-ish with UBI-lite, without a vaccine
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
We should have burned three witches at the stake, Kamala, Hillary and Nancy. Then abracadabra it would have gone away.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh i just meant the UBI issue, and whether lockdown + UBI will be more or less costly than lockdown-ish with UBI-lite, without a vaccine
You know where I stand on all this so I won't re-hash, but I've noticed that you seem really doubtful about vaccines coming relatively quickly. Is that a misinterpretation? How do you feel about treatments? We've gotten a LOT better lately. That could be just as impactful as a vaccine.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:30 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:I have a conduit for the info, the info is not worth a shite, it is vague and constantly updating as you would put it. The schools are absolutely not prepared IF they are trying to keep the virus from spreading within the school.
That was an update
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:32 pm to longwayfromLA
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but I've noticed that you seem really doubtful about vaccines coming relatively quickly. Is that a misinterpretation?
no
we've never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus
also, i don't think we've ever successfully had an rna vaccine completed for human consumption...and that's allegedly where science is looking
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How do you feel about treatments? We've gotten a LOT better lately.
it seems the danger is nothing like April due to this. i don't know the details, but this IS a valid benefit of the original "flatten the curve" mandate. it bought time for PPE and to develop treatments that are both valuable today
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That could be just as impactful as a vaccine.
i don't disagree but the people pushing shut down are going vaccine or nothing, basically. it's a near religion these days
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I personally think you open it up wide open and let the chips fall. Allow accommodations for those that are susceptible to bad outcomes and allow virtual learning opportunities for students. But those programs should be a nationally designed program. You want virtual, this is your program...period.
i don't disagree but the people pushing shut down are going vaccine or nothing, basically. it's a near religion these days
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:37 pm to the808bass
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Shelter the elderly living in congregate living.
With the gobs of print-on-demand money already thrown down the “stimulus” rat hole, we could have provided everyone over 65 or with a compromised immune system a hypoallergenic bubble habitat to hermetically seal them off from any chance of infection. Hyperbole, yes, but we are talking about a $2 trillion bailout at this point, with more coming down the pike.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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also, i don't think we've ever successfully had an rna vaccine completed for human consumption
What do you mean? Polio, rubella, and measles are all caused by RNA viruses.
The real issues have to do with efficacy and safety, as those things take a while to test. I have a professor who insists we would have had a SARS vaccine if funding wasn't pulled, so perhaps there is some hope.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:41 pm to AubieinNC2009
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according to libs we should have:
National Shutdown
paid everyone extra to stay home
virtual school and pay raises for teachers
shut down borders
and impeach Trump
- Bail out all the Blue States pension plans
- Pay illegal immigrants
- Universal Mail-in voting
- Send money overseas so it can be kicked back to Swamp Rat politicians
- Pay Hunter Biden’s Baby-Momma off
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Listen to the scientific community. Duh.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It seems most of the proposed policies involve spending more money (either by directing it to the states, hospitals, or individuals directly). Are there any real policies OTHER than this, that Trump hasn't done?
A constant meme by the deplorable and despicable left wing media is there was ample warning of the coming pandemic by the latter part of 2019 and Trump was too slow to respond which has caused many preventable CV 19 infections and deaths. What if Trump had acted as these leftists sycophants insist he should have.
Based upon the predictions of a group of federal health scientists who warned of a coming pandemic from China He could have issued an executive order effective January 15, 2020 :
No events with crowds over 50 people are to be held: No national championship game, no NFL playoffs, no Super Bowl, college basketball season suspended, NBA and NHL seasons suspended,
Mardi Gras is cancelled.
No MLK events honoring Dr. King and Black History Month is not celebrated.
Colleges may not begin spring semester classes, all high school and lower grades cannot open,only essential business as determined by the federal government may operative.
The Defense Deployment Act is activated and Trump requires random businesses to suspend their usual production and make ventilators and face masks for the coming pandemic.
Effective January 1 all flights from foreign countries are suspended. Any Americans seeking to return to the United States must make arrangements by January 15.
Impeachment hearings against him could not be held a Congress could not convene.
The Supreme Court and all federal courts must suspend proceedings by January 15.
Multiple litigation would have been filed in anti Trump venues which demanded injunctions to stop this unprecedented power grab by a United States president
The left wing media would have gone into total meltdown. Trump would have been called :
A dictator.
An isolationist
A nationalist
A racist
A xenophobe
An obstructionist of justice
Even some of his strongest supporters would have turned on him.
Today the media would be excoriating him for over reacting to the pandemic which never occurred.
They would be lambasting him for the huge stockpile of unused ventilators and face masks., while praising Obama for having the fiscal responsibility to not over react and build up such an absurd amount of supplies
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh i just meant the UBI issue, and whether lockdown + UBI will be more or less costly than lockdown-ish with UBI-lite, without a vaccine
I can't separate the UBI issue from the net effect of what I think is going to happen. A UBI system is one way to mitigate some of the unrest, as the unrest that is about to come is going to be near-apocolyptic. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see anyone talking about the accumulation of issues that's occurring. The next 2 to 3 decades are going to be very bad. I hope I'm wrong though.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Any comparisons being made from one country to the next are illegitimate trash from a scientific perspective. Even the lauded Europeans were all over the map with their responses to COVID, much less considerations on how the virus made its way into their communities or the demographics of those communities-- all factors that impact where we are today.
The reality is; we were right back in february about covid 19. It's a relatively non-lethal virus that doesnt pose a huge threat, and can be controlled with basic measures like social distancing, hand washing, etc. We were never going to quarantine our way out of this virus, so all of the drama we hear daily is about nothing more than OMB.
The reality is; we were right back in february about covid 19. It's a relatively non-lethal virus that doesnt pose a huge threat, and can be controlled with basic measures like social distancing, hand washing, etc. We were never going to quarantine our way out of this virus, so all of the drama we hear daily is about nothing more than OMB.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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Even with a vaccine. The civil unrest this is going to unleash is going to be something severe, and will take upwards of a decade to fully play out. The geopolitics of the post-COVID world are extremely fricked. There are a multiplicity of crises pretty much everywhere, and no one has even begun to address them.
It was going on even before COVID (Revolt of the Public type unrest, I mean) and we can expect it to calm if we can get consumption and supply chains back to full, but it's it's only a small preview of what climate change will wreak.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 3:46 pm
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