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Can someone in the know explain RE: pipeline "hack"?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:54 pm
I haven't read much other than Colonial Pipeline was "hacked" and now there's a supposed gasoline shortage.
How does one "hack" a pipeline? I understand that much of the mechanics today are automated and networked. Flow, volume, environmental status, etc are all probably monitored and controlled remotely. BUT this pipeline delivered gas looooooong before the internet was a thing. Surely there are manual overrides in place for power outages and natural disasters? I refuse to believe a "hack" completely shut this thing down. We're being played folks.
How does one "hack" a pipeline? I understand that much of the mechanics today are automated and networked. Flow, volume, environmental status, etc are all probably monitored and controlled remotely. BUT this pipeline delivered gas looooooong before the internet was a thing. Surely there are manual overrides in place for power outages and natural disasters? I refuse to believe a "hack" completely shut this thing down. We're being played folks.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:55 pm to loopback
FBI/CIA hacked us, blamed Russians
/thread
/thread
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:56 pm to loopback
Believe it was the admin side and precautionary to shut down. It's ridiculous that our govt isn't doing anything
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:57 pm to loopback
I had a similar thought - if the hack causes computer systems to perhaps "not know" exact volumes and quantities being moved, etc, etc, then there should be a manual override and the regulators should allow averages (based on prior history) to be used for keeping track of everything. I don't understand how it's completely out, either. Makes no sense.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:58 pm to bamaswallows
Basically it screws everything in the logistics chain. Add in media/social media panic, it makes it worse.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:00 pm to loopback
Most likely all connected systems were brought “off network” to mitigate the attack. The attack was likely an encryption deal where all computers connected to the system started getting their files encrypted, as well as stolen data. They will keep everything “offline” until they clean it up. On average that takes two weeks. For something like this where it’s a national security issue, maybe they can get everything cleaned up and back to working order in less than two weeks.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:06 pm to loopback
Like the rest of industry, pipelines have been automated and rely on software systems to safely operate. The automation performs basic operations like opening/closing valves, running pumps, scheduling deliveries and various other vital processes for operating a pipe. My understanding is it was a ransomware hack where the hackers shut down their internal systems in exchange for a large $ payout. Last update was they have "resolved" the issue and the pipe should be up and running by close of week.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:29 pm to jrenton
Another important issue here is the petroleum products are what are termed custody transfers. Or in other words it is just like you filling your tank with gas. The meter is ticking and somebody owes somebody else a lot of money. Think of it like the bank mixing up everybody's accounts and cant quite figure out where the money goes.
The financial losses could be astronomical.
The financial losses could be astronomical.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:35 pm to GetmorewithLes
Yep there are people / companies making money just by buying and selling product flowing through that pipe. They never actually take delivery just broker the flow so to speak
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:38 pm to loopback
Just as a background on this, hackers usually perform these types of hacks on infrastructure for two reasons. First, they get a ton of attention which they love. Second, they are relatively easy to pull off, these type of systems, embedded systems, are generally less secure as its harder to keep them patched, sometimes when put into production they are not hardened properly because people lack the knowledge.
I honestly doubt they were looking for a payoff here, that typically critical infrastructure is required to have enough backup that they can restore from something like this, just takes times. However, back to the first point, generally when it is about attention, the group comes out and claims it, think anonymous or even terrorist groups. When groups don't come out and claim responsibility that makes the likelihood that it was a military operation much much more realistic. Think the Iranian Nuclear facilities that got hacked to such down and blast "Back in Black" on their speakers, that was a similar attack of embedded systems and it turned out to most likely be done by Isreal and CIA.
I honestly doubt they were looking for a payoff here, that typically critical infrastructure is required to have enough backup that they can restore from something like this, just takes times. However, back to the first point, generally when it is about attention, the group comes out and claims it, think anonymous or even terrorist groups. When groups don't come out and claim responsibility that makes the likelihood that it was a military operation much much more realistic. Think the Iranian Nuclear facilities that got hacked to such down and blast "Back in Black" on their speakers, that was a similar attack of embedded systems and it turned out to most likely be done by Isreal and CIA.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:42 pm to Stuckinthe90s
Either way, expect some sort of "emergency funding" of some Liberal pet project to 'fix/prevent' this from happening again***
***claims of fix/prevention are not guarantees, nor should they be expected to come to fruition.
***claims of fix/prevention are not guarantees, nor should they be expected to come to fruition.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:45 pm to loopback
once they got into the SCADA system they could do just about anything they want to the system and once in at that point change the passwords to remove theor access. from there they can steal anything and everything from their servers including propiraty (sp) information.
Once in, it is easy to frick it all up. it is all automated and easy to manipulate. that is the point of using a SCADA system, it talks to the PLCs in the field that monitor and manipulate all the valves pumps and breakers.
Once in, it is easy to frick it all up. it is all automated and easy to manipulate. that is the point of using a SCADA system, it talks to the PLCs in the field that monitor and manipulate all the valves pumps and breakers.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:46 pm to loopback
No worries. As long as we don't run out of toilet tissue and masks, we should be good.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:46 pm to loopback
quote:There's not really a shortage. There's plenty of gasoline - it just can't be delivered like normal.
now there's a supposed gasoline shortage.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:47 pm to loopback
Companies, cities, law firms, etc. are hit with these attacks daily. It is always about money. They give you a price, and you can negotiate it down.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:56 pm to loopback
The pipeline wasn't hacked. A Ransomware attack on a significant portion of the company's sensitive data caused them to shut the pipeline down while they mitigated the incident.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:56 pm to loopback
Expect more pipeline disruptions as the left attempts to educate Americans on the risks of pipelines. Electric transportation will be wonderful with no risks to power supply.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:57 pm to Zahrim
quote:
Once in, it is easy to frick it all up. it is all automated and easy to manipulate. that is the point of using a SCADA system, it talks to the PLCs in the field that monitor and manipulate all the valves pumps and breakers.
One key thing you are forgetting about SCADA: There are hard limits in the protection methods, applications and interfaces you can use with SCADA because of compatibility and interoperability issues. As a result, they have significantly more vulnerabilities that cannot be patched and must be as isolated as possible.
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