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re: Can someone explain to me how sex and gender are two different things?

Posted on 10/23/18 at 10:46 am to
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 10:46 am to
Even if you can get progressives to accept that gender and sex are the same, they'd make up a new word to replace gender/gender expression and the fight would start all over again.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 10:48 am to
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To me, you are what you are physically. How you “feel” is irrelevant. 


The progressive narrative is basically that sex is based on the physical characteristics you were born with and gender is the mood you are in at the moment.
Posted by ljhog
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 10:59 am to
Easy enough. Sex is function of biology. You know the chromosome thing. Gender is a grammatical construct, he vs. she or his vs. hers.
So you can change your gender, but not your sex.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:02 am to
OK, let me give an example of gender = language whereas sex = biology.

4th grade writing. Tommy writes the following sentence:
"Everyone likes Suzie because he is a nice girl."

The teacher wouldn't say 'wrong sex, it's 'she'. The teacher would say 'wrong gender, it's 'she.'
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:25 am to
It’s very simple.

Sex is what you biologically are and gender is what you pretend your biologically are.

Liberals think that society should ignore what you biologically are and instead all pretend that you are whatever you pretend to be. It gets more complicated because once liberals realized the make believe wishes would be semi-accepted, their make believe constraints were removed and gender was no longer limited to male or female.

Conservatives rightfully recognize that there is male and female good bad or indifferent. The truth is the truth.
Posted by Robin Masters
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:27 am to
I think it’s like race vs culture.

One is your biological characteristics the other is the way you behave.
Posted by ole man
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:28 am to
If you have a dick you a man, a purist you a woman end of story
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:28 am to
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Gender = characteristics that define an identity

A person of the male sex who carries more feminine characteristics than masculine characteristics may identify as the female gender.

But wouldn’t that person just be a feminine male? Whether they are male or female doesn’t change...
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:31 am to
Merriam dictionary has a definition.

Liberals are trying to redefine it as a social construct and make gender independent from sex.

However, if biological sex is changed due to “gender” it is hard for me to rationalize how they are not one in the same.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 11:36 am to
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Can someone explain to me how sex and gender are two different things?


One is what you actually are. The other is how you feel at any given time and is fluid and subject to change based upon your whim or mood.

In all seriousness, they are the same thing and people who try to say that they aren't need to have their heads examined. They were most likely dropped on them as babies.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 12:30 pm to
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Gender and sex are the same thing.

Anyone who tells you different is just as mentally ill as the ones claiming it.

You'd think so, but the progressive willingness to co-opt and redefine words, definitions, and language can't be underestimated.

During the Equal Rights Amendment debates in the 70s, the vagueness of the proposed amendment was criticized, in particular, the use of the term sex. Some conservatives wanted that replaced with gender believing that word was more narrow and meant DNA and how you were born, your biology.

Their particular concern was that sex could somehow be tortured into referring to sexual proclivities and subsume under the amendment all manner of sexual preferences giving them constitutional protection.

As it turns out, the progressive left is always playing the long game and uses language and words to mean what they want them to mean.
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Text: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to equal rights for men and women. 'Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Posted by PickupAutist
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

OK, let me give an example of gender = language whereas sex = biology.

4th grade writing. Tommy writes the following sentence:
"Everyone likes Suzie because he is a nice girl."

The teacher wouldn't say 'wrong sex, it's 'she'. The teacher would say 'wrong gender, it's 'she.'
Entirely accurate, until about sixty or seventy years ago. This remains an accurate usage of the term, but the acceptable uses have expanded somewhat in the three intervening generations.

Language evolves.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:06 pm to
Like almost all terms in English (and other languages) these terms have many different definitions and many, many different connotations. Those definitions and connotations are often NOT internally-consistent and are often NOT mutually-exclusive.

In a very general sense, "sex" refers to physical characteristics. Some would say that it is determined by the chromosomes (XX vs. XY). Others would say that it is determined by genitalia and secondary sex characteristics ("Dammit, he has a penis.") For the first group, sex is immutable and cannot be changed. For the latter, reassignment surgery might be seen as actually "changing" a person's "sex." As an example, THIS definitional difference lies at the heart of the debate about "men" competing in "women's" sporting events.

"Gender" refers to behavioral characteristics and cultural/societal roles. What one wears. What toys a child chooses. Whether one prefers to cook or to hunt. Whether one cries when sad. How one reacts to a given stimulus. Etcetera.

The confusion (and the debate), in my view, lies not with these definitions, because I think that the vast majority of the population would agree on them in the most general sense. The confusion, again in my view, arises when the "gender" characteristics and behavior displayed by a person do NOT align with the characteristics/behavior normally associated with that person's physical "sex" by a given culture. Because it seems to me that many of these characteristics are determined to be either "masculine" or "feminine" ENTIRELY by cultural norms.

Some assert that a male simply MUST display behavior which is defined as "masculine" by his culture, and that he is "mentally ill" if he fails to do so. Others assert that physical sex and behavioral characteristics NEED NOT be co-extensive, especially if a given non-aligned behavior DOES NOT cause harm to the person in question or another person.

Let’s look at the behavior of a male wearing a skirt. Skirts are feminine attire in most of the West, while males in the South Pacific and Scotland have traditionally worn garments which would fit the definition of "skirt." Even the traditional Chinese mandarin attire would be considered a skirt by many Westerners, and there are MANY more examples. In those latter cultures, wearing a sarong or a kilt or a changshan would not have been considered to be remotely "feminine," and refusal to wear them would arguably have been seen as aberrant behavior. But in most of the West, a male does not traditionally wear a skirt, and men who do so are engaging in behavior which is considered to be aberrant.

The interesting question is "How should we react when a person displays characteristics/behaviors that do NOT align with expectations in that person’s culture?"

We COULD take steps to force conformity ... jail, ostracization, etcetera. We COULD "tolerate while expressing disdain." We COULD "celebrate our differences." Or we COULD choose not to concern ourselves with these matters, so long as they do not harm others. Personally, I fall into the latter category, regardless of whether the behavior is done intentionally and with the intent of "being different" (Beto wearing a dress in his band) or whether the behavior is done because something in the physical makeup (e.g. hormonal influences in utero) or psychological makeup (e.g. childhood influences, etcetera) of a person influences that person to do so (e.g. transgenderism).
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:10 pm to
Are there 378 genders? Again, a definitional issue. Are there 500 hair colors ... or four basic hair colors with a broad spectrum within each basic group?

Sure, I will tolerate someone who insists that she is a "mousy/dishwater strawberry blonde," but my form will let her choose between black, brunette, blonde and redhead.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted by DTRooster
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:13 pm to
One is fact, one is fantasy
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

Can someone explain to me how sex and gender are two different things?
Several people have already done so for you in this thread.

Sex: determined at birth by physical biology (yet still comes with some ambiguity...e.g. what sex is a child born with both sets of genitals? neither? etc.)

Gender: a cultural construct based largely off of behavioral and social roles.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:17 pm to
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Language evolves.


True. When I was a kid I was gay.
Posted by prowler
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
79 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:40 pm to
Here is a complete list of genders for your reading pleasure. Each should come with its own ICD/DSM code.

LINK

Personal favorites:

Faegender - A gender that changes with the seasons, equinoxes and moon phases.

Frostgender - A gender that feels cold and snowy.

Venngender - When two genders overlap with each other, creating a whole new gender; in relation to a Venn diagram.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:21 pm to
Child-rearing has traditionally been defined as a feminine gender role. Would you describe as "mentally ill" every father who seeks custody in a divorce?

Cooking the meals has traditionally been defined as a feminine gender role. Would you describe as "mentally ill" every married couple in which the husband prepares most of the meals?

Providing the financial support for a family has traditionally been defined as a male gender role. Would you describe as "mentally ill" every man who marries a woman who earns more than him?
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