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re: Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?

Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:11 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:11 am to

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Do you think society treats homeless people with dignity?


That has nothing to do with their own self proclaimed status or values.

Again, you simply judge "dignity" by the opinion of others. Its specific to an individual.

Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:11 am to
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white boy.


Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58738 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:11 am to
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In other words, not something a "capitalist society" could ever take from someone. I guess we agree.


People do possess dignity but our society doesn’t treat everyone as though they do.

My prof claimed dignity is distributed by society based on who has capital.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295003 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:12 am to
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People do possess dignity but our society doesn’t treat everyone as though they do.


Again you judge dignity by the perception of others. Thats not what dignity is.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7995 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:12 am to
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Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit), so can any human be dignified when they are essentially dehumanized by our economic system?


Tell us your better system.

Capitalism gives people a means to succeed. If you don't like where you are go somewhere else. You are completely free to do that.
Posted by Quatre Pot
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:12 am to
Dignity ONLY exists in a free enterprise fueled economy- especially on that subscribes to Judeo-Christian values.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:13 am to
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Capitalism



Capitalism is the worst system we have!.....except of course for all the others
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465313 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:13 am to
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My prof claimed dignity is distributed by society based on who has capital.


Guy tipped $4.7 million this year to OnlyFans model Sophie Rain

Clearly
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109525 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:13 am to
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My prof claimed dignity is distributed by society based on who has capital.


Seems to be the professor may have a more materialist view of dignity than the overall "capitalist society."
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58738 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:13 am to
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I wonder how cubbies' professor would react to her responding that dignity was based in God-given intrinsic humanity and not a system of humans.


He said that gods don’t create humans; humans create gods.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295003 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:13 am to
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People do possess dignity but our society doesn’t treat everyone as though they do.


You and your professor are flat out wrong.

Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15248 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:14 am to
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He said that gods don’t create humans; humans create gods.


That is irrelevant to what he claimed.


Whether Gods were created by man or not, religion created the concept of dignity.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28019 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:14 am to
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My prof claimed dignity is distributed by society based on who has capital.



And it didn't occur to you to ask your prof for his definition of dignity? It's an amorphous term that it is utterly meaningless without an agreed upon definition. Pure sophistry.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135379 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:14 am to
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What else do you call government-imposed regulation and redistribution programs?
A contrivance in your mind.

Lowering personal taxes is not leftist.
Replacement of prima facie personal tax revenue decrease with tariffs is not leftist.
Decreasing regulation is not leftist.
Enabling/encouraging small business is not leftist.
Decreasing crime is not leftist.
Cutting government inefficiency is not leftist.
etc., etc., etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465313 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:15 am to
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He said that gods don’t create humans; humans create gods.


The most on-brand thing I'll hear this week.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295003 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:15 am to
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A contrivance in your mind.


Tariffs and MAHA are definitely progressive.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:17 am to
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Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
It maximized the potential for bettering oneself.

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Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit), so can any human be dignified when they are essentially dehumanized by our economic system?
Nothing is more dehumanizing that socialism. The idea that your personal talents, skills, and potential don't belong to you, but rather belong to the state is the most de-humanizing thing I can think of.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14367 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:17 am to
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You sound like a big MAGA type now. This is their exact rhetoric around MAGA-centric regulations like tariffs.


You were doing fine until this. Tariffs are a reaction of self preservation in capitalism when others don’t allow free choices
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295003 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:17 am to
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Nothing is more dehumanizing that socialism. The idea that your personal talents, skills, and potential don't belong to you, but rather belong to the state is the most de-humanizing thing I can think of.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:17 am to
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He said that gods don’t create humans; humans create gods.
This is not a person you should trust.
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