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re: Can anyone give me the reasons the OT ppl think we should be sending billions to Ukraine?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Our help to Ukraine preserves your everyday life.
Holy shite, you actually believe this? Are you a member of NAFO by chance?
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:47 pm to TexasForever
I’ve never heard Ukraine so much until finding out Biden’s quid pro quo and impeachment. They do nothing for us and only around 30 years of “independence”.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:51 pm to TexasForever
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Are you a member of NAFO by chance?
No, they do a lot of trolling, and I am not about that.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:52 pm to Geralt of Rivia
Amazing they are able to post from the front lines. They are on the front lines aren’t they?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
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No, they do a lot of trolling, and I am not about that.
I completely disagree with your takes on this but I do appreciate your thoughtful responses. I was all for Ukraine for about six weeks but the more I dug into it, the more I was turned off by it. To each his own
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
Let's be honest, for most of you, it's not really about the money. Because the amount is comparatively small.
Both Trump and Biden and both parties in Congress spent hundreds of billions during the pandemic on things of dubious value.
For most of you, the money is only the argument that is easiest to make to justify the perverted support for Russia. Many of you have been deluded by Russian propaganda into seeing Russia as some kind of bastion of conservatism, when the truth is that Russian troops fly the hammer and sickle everywhere, and Putin is using the conflict to attempt to remake Russia into the USSR.
There's nothing conservative about Russia. They have -- by far -- the world's highest abortion rate. Only about 7% of their population attends religious services weekly, a small fraction of the 36% who do so in the US (and also a much smaller number than in Ukraine -- a much more religious country than Russia).
Both Trump and Biden and both parties in Congress spent hundreds of billions during the pandemic on things of dubious value.
For most of you, the money is only the argument that is easiest to make to justify the perverted support for Russia. Many of you have been deluded by Russian propaganda into seeing Russia as some kind of bastion of conservatism, when the truth is that Russian troops fly the hammer and sickle everywhere, and Putin is using the conflict to attempt to remake Russia into the USSR.
There's nothing conservative about Russia. They have -- by far -- the world's highest abortion rate. Only about 7% of their population attends religious services weekly, a small fraction of the 36% who do so in the US (and also a much smaller number than in Ukraine -- a much more religious country than Russia).
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:31 pm to momentoftruth87
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Should’ve let Russia in NATO when they wanted . Russia isn’t best friends or going to war with those countries either. Because of this that is changing.
Russia didn't want to be part of NATO it was included as a quasi member like Switzerland, Finland and Sweden have in the past. Russia got OUT of that partnership.
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Because of Ukraine, countries are leaving the dollar. So our incredible investment also has a lot of downfalls.
The problem with that is that nations have traded directly without US currency in the past. There is no rule of law in any of those nations like here in the US. Law is whatever who is in power wants it to be and people with real big money like longterm planning, not changes on a whim. That is why BRICS is a long way of being a center of trade with a common currency. Now Brazil is dependent on imports of fertilizers because it has next to no agriculture without them as its soil is piss poor. India lacks in natural resources and is actually pulling the 2nd act for China in stealing intellectual property from US companies to compete. China MUST have an export market as in Europe and the USA or else the house of cards will fall quicker than it already is trending. Russia well it's selling crude oil below breakeven and at discounts to that negative price. It has no market for 84% of its natural gas because all of its exports are aimed at Europe though one pissant pipeline goes to China.
One last thing, we already know that both China and Russia have massive tight shale reserves in natural gas and "crude oil" but neither one has the technology extract it. China has tried for years and failed miserably.
Have fun
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
Money is very important when our countries economy is suffering at the moment. Dumping billions into Ukraine is just ignorant during this time.
This is dumb and you literally post everyday propaganda in the OT thread. None of us give a shite and that’s why we don’t want to be there. We see no value.
Not our problem. YOU’RE the problem wanting to be an interventionist and this is probably a conservatives largest problem with this war. Minus loss of life on both sides at the hands of US politicians.
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For most of you, the money is only the argument that is easiest to make to justify the perverted support for Russia. Many of you have been deluded by Russian propaganda into seeing Russia as some kind of bastion of conservatism, when the truth is that Russian troops fly the hammer and sickle everywhere, and Putin is using the conflict to attempt to remake Russia into the USSR.
This is dumb and you literally post everyday propaganda in the OT thread. None of us give a shite and that’s why we don’t want to be there. We see no value.
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There's nothing conservative about Russia. They have -- by far -- the world's highest abortion rate. Only about 7% of their population attends religious services weekly, a small fraction of the 36% who do so in the US (and also a much smaller number than in Ukraine -- a much more religious country than Russia).
Not our problem. YOU’RE the problem wanting to be an interventionist and this is probably a conservatives largest problem with this war. Minus loss of life on both sides at the hands of US politicians.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:38 pm to Geralt of Rivia
It is because people are dumb, I am including me in that, and latch on to shite.
I do it with sports. I was bad at one point with LSU. You talk shite about us, frick you. Then there were times when I was like, yeah we maybe arent that good.
Problem here is lives are at stake. I don't know how much of these people really grasp that beyond I want to win the cultural war.
I do it with sports. I was bad at one point with LSU. You talk shite about us, frick you. Then there were times when I was like, yeah we maybe arent that good.
Problem here is lives are at stake. I don't know how much of these people really grasp that beyond I want to win the cultural war.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:00 am to GOP_Tiger
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Let's be honest, for most of you, it's not really about the money. Because the amount is comparatively small.
Both Trump and Biden and both parties in Congress spent hundreds of billions during the pandemic on things of dubious value.
For most of you, the money is only the argument that is easiest to make to justify the perverted support for Russia. Many of you have been deluded by Russian propaganda into seeing Russia as some kind of bastion of conservatism, when the truth is that Russian troops fly the hammer and sickle everywhere, and Putin is using the conflict to attempt to remake Russia into the USSR.
There's nothing conservative about Russia. They have -- by far -- the world's highest abortion rate. Only about 7% of their population attends religious services weekly.
I don't care about any of that. Sick of the hypocrisy of western governments pretending to play world police, while they instigate conflicts all over the globe under the guise of "democracy".
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(and also a much smaller number than in Ukraine -- a much more religious country than Russia).
We're just going to pretend Zelensky hasn't been shutting down Orthodox churches all over Ukraine, even forcibly removing churchgoers?
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 12:06 am
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:07 am to TexasForever
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Is Russia weakening our military, turning the country against Christians, stealing elections, controlling the propaganda that is American news, trying to take my guns, forcing us into lockdowns, firing Americans from their jobs for not getting vaccinated, I could go on for days. Please tell me what impact Russia has on our everyday lives?
Just because you are pissed that America is the way that it is does not mean you should rush to kiss Russia. For God's sakes that country sucks, I know, I have lived there. Biden has a lot of faults. So does Trump, so did Obama, Bush, even Reagan. But Russia, Jesus Christ get a grib.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:12 am to Geralt of Rivia
They don't allow opposing viewpoints in that thread. I once asked them if this fake war was still a thing and was met with so much anger. They take it so personally
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:14 am to Eurocat
Everything he said about what the government did is more or less true to some degree and he has every right to be pissed about that. Where is he rushing to kiss Russia?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:23 am to cattus
His cries are exagerrated. I just dealt with a death in my professional circles - a conservative academic. He had books from the 60s and 70s saying the same "the end of the world is upon us, America is doomed" back in books written in 1963. Still bitching 70 years later.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:24 am to Pelican fan99
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I once asked them if this fake war was still a thing and was met with so much anger.
Probably because you asked a stupid fricking question
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:34 am to Eurocat
If you feel he holds exaggerations then that's your opinion and you have a right to that. But he feels the country is being taken in the wrong direction and I'd say that is pretty valid.
Mostly his premise is that Russia doesn't have an affect on his daily life.
Mostly his premise is that Russia doesn't have an affect on his daily life.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:43 am to Eurocat
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I just dealt with a death in my professional circles
You’re a fricking moron. Those people don’t have professional circles.
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a conservative academic
This is how we know you’re lying.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 1:31 am to Geralt of Rivia
So oligarchs in track suits can buy yachts and private jets.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 1:32 am to notiger1997
quote:Wow so angry. Back to the OT thread you go bozo
Probably because you asked a stupid fricking question
Posted on 3/30/23 at 1:42 am to GOP_Tiger
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If Ukraine were to lose this war,
Ukraine can not win this war unless other countries fully join it. Never could.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 1:43 am
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