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re: Can anyone give me the reasons the OT ppl think we should be sending billions to Ukraine?

Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:43 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:43 am to
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So sending billions to Ukraine actually saves us money! Geez thanks for explaining that to me.

What a bunch of fricking OT morons.


GOP Tiger has ideas that would rival a 5th grader.

Its Pollyanna, 1950s rah rah bullshite.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:44 am to
People who blame the US for the war, instead of our enemy, are anti-Americans.

If you hate America, just go to Russia and live under Putin and see how you like it.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
48429 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:45 am to
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People who blame the US for the war, instead of our enemy, are anti-Americans.

If you hate America, just go to Russia and live under Putin and see how you like it.


Russia isn't the enemy. China is. Jesus Christ. The cold war has been over for 30 years.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68483 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:46 am to
Gonzalo is sitting in Kharkhov and cuts through the BS.

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@GonzaloLira1968
The US—

-Carried out the 2014 coup d’état in Ukraine

-Nixed a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia in April 2022

-Blew up Nord Stream to stop Germany negotiating with Russia

-Will send depleted uranium shells to Ukraine

-The US is a state sponsor of terrorism
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:48 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:48 am to
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Russia isn't the enemy. China is. Jesus Christ. The cold war has been over for 30 years.



Perhaps you are unaware that Russia and China are allies? The fact that Russia was unable to quickly win this war has been a source of frustration for Xi.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:49 am to
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Perhaps you are unaware that Russia and China are allies?


Gee, I wonder why.

It seems economic sanctions drive your enemy to your competitor. Damn, who could have seen that coming?
Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
7253 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:50 am to
Our politicians’ slush funds don’t fund themselves!
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:51 am
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:53 am to
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Of course not. You really do take your talking points straight out of Vladimir Putin's mouth, don't you?


Holy fkn liberal comeback
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:55 am to
"Everyone who doesn't think like I do is a Putin Stooge."

The OT
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182541 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:56 am to
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For most of you, the money is only the argument that is easiest to make to justify the perverted support for Russia. Many of you have been deluded by Russian propaganda into seeing Russia as some kind of bastion of conservatism



You're such a fricking hack telling people why they are against the war.

It is about the money for a lot of us. We are watching ridiculous inflation and issues here while sending Ukraine billions.


quote:

Both Trump and Biden and both parties in Congress spent hundreds of billions during the pandemic on things of dubious value.



That's not a justification to keep printing and spending, idiot.

One example where they money would be better used:

We’ve sent $75,000,000,000 (and counting) to Ukraine.

There are around 130,000 schools in the United States.

That’s more than $575,000 per school that could easily cover armed security.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:57 am to
I support sending equipment (not money) to Ukraine because I don't want us to have to send men. Ukraine is not the goal. Poland and Romania are the goals because they feel they have to position troops in the Polish Gap and the Bessarabian Gap, the two most common entry points for previous invasions of Russia. The problem for Ukraine is that those positions happen to be on the other side of Ukraine. I'd rather Ukrainians die in defense of Ukraine, or at least severely degrade Russia's ability to wage war, than for the U.S. to have to send troops to defend Poland and Romania, which were are contractually obligated to do. If we were going to leave NATO, that's a conversation that we should have had prior to this conflict and certainly one that we should re-visit once it's over. Russia's population is in decline, their economy is a mess, and, aside from nukes, their military is flaming dogshit and is only going to get worse as their demography collapses. NATO would be mopping the floor with Russia even without U.S. help in conventional warfare. They're not going to be a threat in the future. This is the last time that their demography would allow them to even attempt this.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:57 am to
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That's not a justification to keep printing and spending, idiot.



Are you against spending money on our military?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42154 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 8:57 am to
It's a phrase straight out of the SJW playbook. It's no different than BamaAtl or c on z calling anyone deviating from the party platform a racist or a bigot.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182541 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:00 am to
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And JJJJimmy isn't the only anti-Semite in here. Again, let's be real: a number of you oppose aid to Ukraine because Zelensky is a Jew.




You're just throwing shite a the wall. You and CitizenK are two of the dumbest PoS on this forum.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16174 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:01 am to
what all this anti support for Ukraine is about magatards being mad at Zelinsky for not caving into Trumps attempt at bribery which also seems to be their justification for saying Ukraine is corrupt when every former USSR country is corrupt and run by oligarchs, which is why the people of Ukraine fought so hard to elect Zelinsky, he is not an oligarch but a former tv comedian. These magatards are so blinded by trump and suffer so severly from trumptardation that they can't see the bigger picture
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:01 am to
You know what we should do? We should just quit spending money on NORAD. Russian nukes are no threat to us. Putin loves peace. If we quit spending money to oppose him, we'll have no problems. AND we could then reduce inflation, or we could spend more money on other big-government programs. Wouldn't that be great?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:02 am to
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Are you against spending money on our military?


I'm against spending money on military abroad.


Do you see why? We have over 700 bases abroad and spend faaaar more than anyone else.

This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 9:04 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:04 am to
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You're just throwing shite a the wall. You and CitizenK are two of the dumbest PoS on this forum.



Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68483 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:04 am to
There is a president that laughed about threatening to withhold a billion dollars from them if they didn't fire a prosecutor for looking into his son's no-show jobs and it wasn't Trump.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182541 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:04 am to
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People like GOP_Tiger are actually Trotskyists. They won't admit that, but their foreign policy ideology emanates from Leon Trotsky, the hero of neoconservatism and its predecessor, the Young People's Socialist League. The idea that United States must police the world, or that every country on Earth must somehow emulate and embrace the American system, is simply imposing Trotsky's concepts of permanent war and revolution into a Western crony-capitalist model. And just read their comments in that cesspool. They despise us. All of us. They loathe the very people they expect to fight their wars, because they sure as hell aren't fighting them.



This is spot on
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