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re: Can a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion? Ohio says NO
Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:05 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:05 am to Dawgfanman
quote:I would too.
I’d like a link to the manhunt for the rapist or a link to the story about the rapists arrest.
OTOH, I was just talking with a friend in Peds. He says "Child Abuse" is in fact a recently accredited Pediatric Fellowship. News to me. Anyway, it turns out, just eleven Child Abuse Pediatricians are listed in Ohio. So that's pretty specific information for Bernard to dole out in a lie.
This post was edited on 7/3/22 at 7:06 am
Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:09 am to mmcgrath
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What monster would force a 10 year old rape victim carry out a full pregnancy?
What monster would find out that their 10 year old was raped and was pregnant and go “Eh, we’ll deal with this situation later on.” This hypothetical rapist should be thrown under a prison.
So should the girl’s hypothetical parents.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:10 am to NC_Tigah
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I would too. OTOH, I was just talking with a friend in Peds. He says "Child Abuse" is in fact a recently accredited Pediatric Fellowship. News to me. Anyway, it turns out, just eleven Child Abuse Pediatricians are listed in Ohio. So that's pretty specific information for Bernard to dole out in a lie.
There will likely be real cases like this as the fallout from 50 years of bad law make there way to the realities in the ground. But the fact will always remain that a fetus is a human life and I hope this reality is reflected in all laws that cover this issue.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:11 am to Dawgfanman
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If this hypothetical occurred and I was asked for my advice, it would be that the fetus life be protected as long as it did not endanger the life of the mother. Be that person 10 years old of 35. Abortion is traumatizing to the person having it, just like rape. The impacts can last a lifetime in both cases.
You didn't care that the other thread was a hypothetical, so not sure why this one required prodding. Well, actually I am pretty sure of why this one required it...
quote:
What you made up is the part about me “not caring”. You seek to dehumanize those who have different views from yourself.
I said you'd be against the abortion because you don't care about the reason for it. Thanks for confirming. Just say that next time.
quote:
This is what was asked in the other thread. Nothing about my response had to do with what exceptions should be written into law. Because I wasn’t commenting on writing laws. A life is indeed a life.
I didn't say or ask anything about writing laws.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 7:15 am to AggieHank86
quote:FWIW, onset of puberty in the US hasn't changed much in the past 30yrs. Hovers around 11, maybe 12 for girls. That said, a 10y/o with periods is rare, but not unheard of.
The age for onset of puberty in the US has been getting younger for a very long time.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:14 am to FooManChoo
quote:As an interesting side note, the best of intentions sometimes yield the poorest of results.
All law is an extension, by force, of someone’s moral standards.
Previously, many abortion providers declined to take appointments before 6wks EGA.
Why?
Because 80-90% of spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) occur in the 0-6wk interval, rendering induced abortion previously unnecessary.
But the OH law will force all induced abortions into that 6wk timeframe. 15-20% of those abortions will be performed on women who'd have otherwise naturally miscarried.
So ironically, this imbecilic law could unintentionally lead to an increase in abortions.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:17 am to Zach
quote:
The reason for this requirement is that women lie their asses off all the time.
See Roe vs Wade.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:17 am to mmcgrath
quote:Anyone who believes abortion is murder.
What monster would force a 10 year old rape victim carry out a full pregnancy? Is it even safe for a 10 year old?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:32 am to AlxTgr
quote:Right ... and what would one term the administration of a death sentence (with 100% assuredness) to both a mother, and her fetus?
Anyone who believes abortion is murder.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 8:41 am to mmcgrath
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None. All rape victims should be able to get an abortion.
Who says they can't get an abortion? Again, The federal government made up a constitutional law to kill babies. SCOTUS kicked it back to the states to decide! Abortions can still be done in certain states that allow it and if its deemed medically necessary for the health of the mother and child.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:02 am to This guy larry
You are absolutely correct. A poor woman in south Mississippi still has every right to hitchhike all the way to Illinois, if she wants an abortion.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:09 am to AggieHank86
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You are absolutely correct. A poor woman in south Mississippi still has every right to hitchhike all the way to Illinois, if she wants an abortion.
Or just to the planned parenthood to get free birth control. Pushing abortion as a form of birth control is messed up when there are so many preventative options.
Oh and even if it is used as birth control in Mississippi, that law allows up to 15 weeks, right?
This post was edited on 7/3/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:11 am to BBONDS25
quote:For now.
Or just to the planned parenthood to get free birth control.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:12 am to NC_Tigah
The OH “heartbeat” law was put in place a few years ago before Roe was overturned. I’m sure they believed at the time (and maybe still believe) that 6 weeks was a good compromise for allowing abortions but reducing them. A lot of states passed those bills for that reason because, at the time, they had no ability to ban them outright. Perhaps those states will now pass changes that will do away with abortion entirely. I hope so.
Reasons for the law aside, what you said about more abortions may be possible, since women won’t be waiting as long to get abortions. Recently, most abortions were performed at less than 9 weeks gestation. However, women will likely be more aware of their cycles and be tracking to symptoms of pregnancy more closely, which will result in earlier abortions.
What heartbeat bills do is declare a baby alive when a heartbeat can be detected. Doing this was meant to eliminate abortions after that period of time (great!) but may just shift those abortions to the first 6 weeks (not great). With the restrictions in place, women will seek alternatives, including traveling to other states or getting abortifacients online. It’s possible that the number of abortions in Ohio may be reduced but abortions in sanctuary states will increase.
Whatever does happen, I see the heartbeat bills as being entirely insufficient to drastically reduce abortions, which is why I favor outright bans. I appreciate the effort to reduce abortions, but allowing them at all is a problem as I see it.
But none of that speaks to the issue of abortion (at any time) due to rape.
Reasons for the law aside, what you said about more abortions may be possible, since women won’t be waiting as long to get abortions. Recently, most abortions were performed at less than 9 weeks gestation. However, women will likely be more aware of their cycles and be tracking to symptoms of pregnancy more closely, which will result in earlier abortions.
What heartbeat bills do is declare a baby alive when a heartbeat can be detected. Doing this was meant to eliminate abortions after that period of time (great!) but may just shift those abortions to the first 6 weeks (not great). With the restrictions in place, women will seek alternatives, including traveling to other states or getting abortifacients online. It’s possible that the number of abortions in Ohio may be reduced but abortions in sanctuary states will increase.
Whatever does happen, I see the heartbeat bills as being entirely insufficient to drastically reduce abortions, which is why I favor outright bans. I appreciate the effort to reduce abortions, but allowing them at all is a problem as I see it.
But none of that speaks to the issue of abortion (at any time) due to rape.
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:17 am to AggieHank86
quote:
You are absolutely correct. A poor woman in south Mississippi still has every right to hitchhike all the way to Illinois, if she wants an abortion.
Dems have control of Congress and White House, seems they could find a way to solve such a transportation issue. Or Greyhound could do so. They offer free tickets for various reasons now including medical procedures (organ transplants).
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:42 am to This guy larry
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Who says they can't get an abortion?
The following states have language in their abortion bans that does not allow an exception for Rape or Incest. Some are even enacting laws so that rape and incest victims can't cross state lines to end a pregnancy caused by someone who sexually abused/raped them.
Not to mention, the US has one of the highest mortality rates when it comes to pregnant women when compared to other developed countries.
Alabama
Arkansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Oklahoma
Ohio
Tennessee
Texas
Can we also end this narrative that these babies yall want to force rape victims to have will be adopted?
There are over 110k kids available for adoption in the US right now. Where are the Pro Life people when it comes to them? Here is their chance to fulfill the promise of those signs they are waving
Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:43 am to MrBiriwa
How many states have a blanket complete ban on abortion?
Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:14 am to BBONDS25
Has this story about the 10 year old been verified? I keep seeing plenty of pro abortionists mentioning this story as if it is certainly true
Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:26 am to MrBiriwa
quote:Oh for f*#k sakes!
the US has one of the highest mortality rates when it comes to pregnant women when compared to other developed countries.
If you believe there is a 12-fold lower maternal death rate in Poland than in the US (in US women of Polish descent no less), I've got a truckload of TerraUSD and magic Pixie Dust to sell you.
When you see claims such as "US Maternal Death Rate at 11.6/100K" (White non-hispanic) vs "1/100K in Poland," and you don't realize something something in the sampling is terribly askew, you need to put the reading materials down and go watch cartoons.
This post was edited on 7/3/22 at 10:37 am
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