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re: Bukele is doing good things in El Salvador: Your feel good video for Friday
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:20 am to TXnole
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:20 am to TXnole
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What about the right of regular people who just want to live their lives peacefully without having to worry about their neighborhood being overrun with violent criminals and gang members.
Already covered
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The problem with Bukele's reign is the current state. He's cleaned up the country and removed all the gang members (and some innocents) but hasn't loosened his grip and removed some silly laws that only make sense in a country in crisis (like the overregulation of tattoos and speech as threats against the population of being labeled a gang member and losing all rights).
This is why you can never trust the "we just need the power to remove the bad people" lies. NEVER trust someone who tries to sell you this bullshite. It hasn't worked out that way since Cincinnatus
This is a bargain with the Devil, or Iblis, as Bukele may describe it
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
That you are a leftist
But nice attempt
But nice attempt
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Pinochet/Bukele sounds good until he scoops you away with no due process.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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The problem with Bukele's reign is the current state. He's cleaned up the country and removed all the gang members (and some innocents) but hasn't loosened his grip and removed some silly laws that only make sense in a country in crisis (like the overregulation of tattoos and speech as threats against the population of being labeled a gang member and losing all rights).
It's a pendulum effect. Behavior has momentum in society. Overwhelmingly violent and criminal behavior depends on fear from the citizenry to maintain its momentum. Changing the momentum back means authority over-correcting to not only halt the unwanted behavior's momentum but then to also start creating momentum for those of society not committing the unwanted behaviors to be able to reassert their behavior as the societal norm.
The problem is that over-correcting can easily lead to a government so authoritarian that it manages society like a Karen running an HOA.
For now, they are in the positive portion of the momentum swing.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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Iblis
That thing you did…
I seent it
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s actually the cost of not enforcing pre-existing rules on the books. It is a classic case of pendulum theory and autocracy is a result, not a driver, of the pendulum swinging back to order.
Stop giving criminals a pass in any form of government, and you will not have innocent bystanders get caught in between
Stop giving criminals a pass in any form of government, and you will not have innocent bystanders get caught in between
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:29 am to SDVTiger
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That you are a leftist
Only leftists care about rights?
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:29 am to Bunk Moreland
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Pinochet/Bukele sounds good until he scoops you away with no due process.
And then people say, " well we don't know if he was a criminal or not"
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:33 am to Bard
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Behavior has momentum in society. Overwhelmingly violent and criminal behavior depends on fear from the citizenry to maintain its momentum.
The violent and criminal behavior was exclusively due to a specific population that has been removed.
Bukele didn't use cultural or behavioral momentum to achieve his goals. You'd have an argument had he done so ,but he chose the other path, and that path is what my post describes.
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Changing the momentum back means authority over-correcting to not only halt the unwanted behavior's momentum but then to also start creating momentum for those of society not committing the unwanted behaviors to be able to reassert their behavior as the societal norm.
Again, this only works if that was how he achieved the goal
This is not necessary because there is no population who is a threat to engage in the violence and criminality on the scale to where the state could not contain them. The "momentum" had already been changed by removing that population, and further state erosion of rights isn't necessary anymore.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
No. Im not sure what that has to do with you finally admitting you are a leftist
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:35 am to SDVTiger
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No.
Then your argument about me erodes into nothingness.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:38 am to deltaland
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be fair, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re innocent. You see family on tv here claiming relatives are innocent when the evidence is clear the person is guilty of the crime
I agree completely. That’s why I specified the “they believe” part.
I’m sure a large % of them are wrong.
This post was edited on 9/18/26 at 7:39 am
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:38 am to SlowFlowPro
There is no arguement. You have always been a lefty. Im just happy you finally admitted it 
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:38 am to supadave3
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I’m sure a large % of them are wrong.
Let's assume these numbers are right
That means 10% are innocents being jailed without due process
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:52 am to supadave3
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While they say it’s remarkable how safe the country has become, most people know someone that they think is innocent that has disappeared into the black hole justice system. That obviously has upset their loved ones.
But, the overall opinion is that it takes broken eggs to make omelets and the safety/crime improvement cannot be overstated.
Whether Bukele turns out to be good or bad depends on whether he gradually moves away from the anti-institutional methods that were necessary to gain control and more toward the rule of transparent law enforcement.
So far so good. Now let him liberalize gradually and he will be worthy of historical significance.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:56 am to Bunk Moreland
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Pinochet/Bukele sounds good until he scoops you away with no due process.
Well, they sound good compared to the status quo ante, because they ARE good compared to that.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:57 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Moms could get it
Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:58 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Think how easy that would be to do here
All Bukele had to do was arrest everyone with tattoos
All Bukele had to do was arrest everyone with tattoos
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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Bukele didn't use cultural or behavioral momentum to achieve his goals. You'd have an argument had he done so ,but he chose the other path, and that path is what my post describes.
I’ve agreed with your reasoning throughout this thread until this statement. Bukele had to stop the momentum by seizing control of the public spaces. If you disagree with that then maybe you have some semantic disagreement with the word “momentum”.
Critics are correct that this had to involve the unjust arrest of some innocents. Advocates are correct that the crushing injustice to those innocents was a necessary price to make a better life for the vast majority.
As I stated in a post above, so far so good. Now start liberalizing gradually.
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't know if using cities where crime has dramatically dropped over the past 30 years WITHOUT dictatorial, right-erosion are the examples you want to cite.
This is always your argument. You like to deflect from the amount of crime by saying it was higher at some point in the past.
That doesn't matter. It's still too high, and these criminal lowlifes need to be dealt with to make a better society for the good people.
You are excusing prominent, bad behavior detrimental to a free society just because it was worse at one point. That's stupid.
I'm sure all the victims of crime are grateful simply because it's not the highest reported crime rate.
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