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re: BREAKING: Boeing to Temporarily Shut Down 737 Max Production
Posted on 12/16/19 at 7:54 pm to Upperaltiger06
Posted on 12/16/19 at 7:54 pm to Upperaltiger06
It isn’t the feds. It’s the penny shaving MBA bullshite at Southwest and Boeing that brought this disaster to fruition. Instead of building a first class world leading narrowbody jet, Boeing caved to Southwest not wanting to pay training and fleet costs for a different kind of jet. That’s what resulted in this abortion of an airplane.
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 7:58 pm to Upperaltiger06
quote:This post doesn’t defend Boeing at all I hope you know. Look I promise that I have more hatred for the FAA than everyone on this board combined. But this is on Boeing and if their reputation takes a hit it’s on them, not the FAA.
The feds are going to frick up a great American company by dragging this shite out. US pilots knew this flaw existed. There were over 50 documented accounts of the same malfunction by American pilots. They were just trained well enough to intervene with no consequence.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 8:00 pm to Boatshoes
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Without MCAS it is unstable and doesn’t get certified
Not true. Without MCAS, it flies significantly different than other 737s, and thus its certification would require more training for the thousands of pilots who fly other 737s. More training would be expensive for the airlines and hurt sales. So, Boeing tried to avoid this with MCAS but fricked up the implementation (there's a longer story behind how that happened).
BTW, I'm not trying to defend Boeing. They screwed the pooch with incredibly poor decision making and I think the CEO should be fired. But, the hold up now is on the FAA and there's little doubt they are dragging their feet.
This post was edited on 12/16/19 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/16/19 at 8:02 pm to conservativewifeymom
This info was leaked yesterday... I’m surprised it took this long for them to do this.
They truly need to scrap it and go back to the drawing board. I think the number I read was they had lost 3B since the wrecks last year.
They truly need to scrap it and go back to the drawing board. I think the number I read was they had lost 3B since the wrecks last year.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:15 pm to conservativewifeymom
I hope Boeing Burns and I don't care if it cost jobs. Boeing has benefitted from manipulated government contracts.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:20 pm to Boatshoes
quote:agree. From what I have read this isn't even in the FAA's hands yet as new catastrophic problems were found in late June.
It isn’t the feds. It’s the penny shaving MBA bullshite at Southwest and Boeing that brought this disaster to fruition. Instead of building a first class world leading narrowbody jet, Boeing caved to Southwest not wanting to pay training and fleet costs for a different kind of jet. That’s what resulted in this abortion of an airplane.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:27 pm to mmcgrath
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From what I have read this isn't even in the FAA's hands yet as new catastrophic problems were found in late June.
Lol. You guys are retarded. They are studying whether solar rays from the sun might affect a computer chip enough to alter its performance -- even though there have been ZERO reports of this happening and even the FAA reports it is less than one in several million that this might possibly happen. This could conceivably happen with any circuit board on any commercial airliner. But in this case, it's certainly not the FAA punishing Boeing -- they're just being "careful".
Boeing screwed up, no doubt. But so did the FAA (it's called regulator capture). They should admit fault, make the appropriate changes, and move on.
This post was edited on 12/16/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:48 pm to conservativewifeymom
This makes sense.
Shut the plant down. Start it back up in a few months building a completely new planed called the Boeing Supreme Commuter Jet, or Boeing SCJ.
It will be based off of 99.9999999999999999 percent 737 Max design.
But will somehow cost 6% less to the 737 Max customer, saving each of them millions of dollars on their outstanding 737Max orders.
Shut the plant down. Start it back up in a few months building a completely new planed called the Boeing Supreme Commuter Jet, or Boeing SCJ.
It will be based off of 99.9999999999999999 percent 737 Max design.
But will somehow cost 6% less to the 737 Max customer, saving each of them millions of dollars on their outstanding 737Max orders.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:53 pm to Floating Change Up
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This makes sense.
Shut the plant down. Start it back up in a few months building a completely new planed called the Boeing Supreme Commuter Jet, or Boeing SCJ.
It will be based off of 99.9999999999999999 percent 737 Max design.
But will somehow cost 6% less to the 737 Max customer, saving each of them millions of dollars on their outstanding 737Max orders.
Wouldn't surprise me if this exact thing happens.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:08 pm to SlackMaster
I hate that Wall Street greed has seemingly destroyed yet another great American company. Boeing seems more focused on shareholders and stock performance than building great airplanes.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:28 pm to jcaz
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I hate that Wall Street greed has seemingly destroyed yet another great American company. Boeing seems more focused on shareholders and stock performance than building great airplanes.
Agreed. Too much short-term thinking in regards to profits. What's ironic is that only those who focus on true greatness in their chosen endeavor achieve massively sustainable profits, and therefore stock prices on Wall Street. Think: Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. Although I'm not a fan of the latter two companies, they all have delivered some pretty innovative and valuable products to the marketplace over a long period.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 1:21 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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A pretty good summary.
They can either lose, MCAS, the engines and the gear modification and bring it back...or they can lose MCAS the single type rating and bring it back as a different jet.
Of course that doesn’t mean that the same flawed decision making at Boeing won’t make them try to get it back in the air as is.
Remember their corporate mindset even after the first two crashes was “nothing to see here”, and the FAA moved to protect the flying public only after President Trump ordered the fleet grounded.
A pretty good summary.
They can either lose, MCAS, the engines and the gear modification and bring it back...or they can lose MCAS the single type rating and bring it back as a different jet.
Of course that doesn’t mean that the same flawed decision making at Boeing won’t make them try to get it back in the air as is.
Remember their corporate mindset even after the first two crashes was “nothing to see here”, and the FAA moved to protect the flying public only after President Trump ordered the fleet grounded.
This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 1:27 am
Posted on 12/17/19 at 1:48 am to conservativewifeymom
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Boeing
Posted on 12/17/19 at 1:58 am to SlackMaster
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The fix has been completed for months so the FAA needs to get off their arse. They are pissed because this issue has exposed that they weren't doing their job. So, they have been dragging their feet on the fix in order to punish Boeing financially. This move will put serious pressure on the FAA to move forward.
THIS is frickING IGNORANT. Blame the big bad gubmint.
Boeing fricked this up bad. Then tried to sweep it under the rug. They need to own it. It's all on them.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 5:41 am to Sid in Lakeshore
You're probably right. Even though the fix has been developed for months, we should just wait on some goodness from the FAA. Boeing better fix this!
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:22 am to Boatshoes
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That’s what resulted in this abortion of an airplane.
I'm sure they can take that airframe and make it flyable. Come on. It is after all a 737.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:35 am to jcaz
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Boeing seems more focused on shareholders and stock performance than building great airplanes.
That is the ENTIRE reason for a corporation to exist - maximize shareholder wealth.
Where companies frick up is focusing on the short term that doesn't really maximize shareholder wealth.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:37 am to GumboPot
It already impacted the Dow yesterday. SPX 500 was up %0.71% while Dow was just up 0.36% (even with Boeing down %4.3%.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:43 am to conservativewifeymom
I’m reading the same stuff I read 10+ years ago regarding the 787. “What a disaster the 787 is”. “It’ll lead to BA demise”. “I’ll never fly on that plane”. 10 years later the 787 is a major success. They will figure out the 737-10 issues and 10 years from now it’ll be a major success as well.
Posted on 12/17/19 at 6:45 am to gthog61
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Where companies frick up is focusing on the short term that doesn't really maximize shareholder wealth.
Thank impatient and activist stockholders for that.
Companies that ignore them and work for the long term end up better off.
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