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re: Black pastor is handcuffed for watering his neighbor's flowers
Posted on 8/24/22 at 4:53 pm to GWM
Posted on 8/24/22 at 4:53 pm to GWM
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He had a terrible attitude/disposition from the very start, even though the cops couldn't have been any nicer to him.
Being real here, most people in that same situation would have a terrible attitude. If you think about how mundane something like watering flowers is, the idea that police officers questioning just wtf you are doing is probably infuriating on many levels. It’s probably more infuriating when you live in the neighborhood and are a neighbor. We’d all like to think you could just say “I’m watering Bob’s flowers” and the cops would shrug their shoulders and leave but that’s never what happens. You then confronted with identifying yourself, and where you live and does your story check out. Meanwhile, you were just watering some fricking bushes, not crawling through a window
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 4:55 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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It really doesn't matter though.
Well it matters to me - since something unpleasant happened as a result of that call.
As I said, that CALLER should be the one getting the grief here - for just calling it in and then forgetting about it.
he should have been the first one on the scene to help resolve the entirely predictable uneasy situation when an innocent man is the subject of a 911 'suspicious person" call.
The most blame goes to the 911 caller
the second blame goes to the good pastor for not being a good 'disciple of God" and working to diffuse the situation rather then excoriating it.
the least blame goes to the cops for not being able to absorb another round of uncalled-for disrespect and mal-obsttruction in the their onus to take all abuse they can physically and mentally absorb without EVER showing any displeasure at all.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 4:58 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Being real here, most people in that same situation would have a terrible attitude.
this is what I don't understand.
Doest the seriousness of a 911 call never enter the context of any discussion of this event - EVER??
WHAT is the cop supposed to do when responding to a 911 call
SOMEBODY educate me here - I am obviously making an arse out of myself because of my ignorance of the proper response to a 911 call.
PLEASE tell me and I will apologize to everyone I have disrespected here.
t.i.a.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 4:58 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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If you think about how mundane something like watering flowers is, the idea that police officers questioning just wtf you are doing is probably infuriating on many levels.
Sure, but if your irritation is at officers who are simply responding to a call, you're an idiot.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 4:59 pm to BBONDS25
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Was he acting in his role as a civilian or as an officer when he decided to wrongfully arrest the civilian?
Doesn't matter.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:08 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:And upon investigation and within just a few minutes they ascertained that he was over there watering flowers.
Didn't they say that he had been reported on a 911 call as a suspicious person??
But, out of pride and prejudice, they just wasted the day away arresting a neighbor.
You know that Karens think all black folks are sketchy.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:15 pm to tigerfoot
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And upon investigation and within just a few minutes they ascertained that he was over there watering flowers.
Not sure I saw any of that in the video.
In fact - what I recall from that video is that he was very unskilled in watering shrubs. Just a few seconds spraying the foliage and then moving to another shrub is not a good routine.
Now of course he doesn't have to be a horticulturist, but his impression of a guy watering flowers was not very convincing if I was a cop responding to a suspicious man on someone's property.
Did you see how he handled that water hose?? Is that how you water your shrubbery??
But of course he has the RIGHT to be a lousy waterer too.
Still have seen no answer to what is a cop supposed to do in response to a 911 call reporting a suspicious person on premises.
any idea???
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:23 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:when they told him if they asked he must ID they showed either ignorance of the law or a willingness to bend the law to their benefit. Inexcusable in either case. He even pointed out that it's not a stop and identify state and they didn't care. And all of this ignores the fact that they STILL arrested him AFTER it was obvious what was going on. frick them
but NOOOOOO - everyone wants to be in on the "I hate COPS" bandwagon
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:30 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:This is getting comical
In fact - what I recall from that video is that he was very unskilled in watering shrubs. Just a few seconds spraying the foliage and then moving to another shrub is not a good routine.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:32 pm to upgrayedd
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Classic cop horseshite
Idiot behind a badge
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:36 pm to shspanthers
Not unless a law is being broken, they don’t. Not if they THUNK a law MIGHT be broken. Seems correct
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ID laws only get more complicated. In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to reveal their identity when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as “stop-and-identify” statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.
As of 2013, 24 states had stop-and-identify laws. Regardless of your state’s law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you’re involved in illegal activity
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:36 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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when they told him if they asked he must ID they showed either ignorance of the law or a willingness to bend the law to their benefit
What is the proper response to a 911 call where a suspicious person is reported being on a premises.
Doest the cop just ask = "are you supposed to be here" and then leave when he says 'yes'
If he says = "I am pastor so-and-so" - is that enough to say - "OK, carry on."
I have admitted I don't know. But I PRESUMED that to adequately respond to a 911 call about a SUSPICIOUS PERsON on a premises, that the cop would have to actually find out WHO it was that was there.
Do YOU know the proper protocol for that situation?? if so, inform ME - I will congratulate you and beg forgiveness. I hate being this ignorant on an issue.
I would HOPE that if I called into 911 reporting a 'suspicious man' on my neighbors property, that the cops would do something more than just drive by and ask 'who are you?' without asking for SOME kind of ID -
if this is wrong - someone please tell me.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:39 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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This is getting comical
it surely is
I was just trying to get in on the comedy by describing a pretty poor attempt at 'watering flowers.' seems like no legitimate questions were being answered.
Do you water your flowers that way????
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:41 pm to OchoDedos
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OchoDedos
quote:keyboard
Idiot behind a
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:43 pm to deeprig9
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In the longform video, the lady who admitted calling the cops tells the cops it was an accident, she didn't recognize him at first. Tells the cops sorry, nevermind. Cops didn't care. He didn't show his ID therefore he goes to jail
Exactly why I called them retarded robots. Once they got the full story, why still proceed with the arrest? Just to be spiteful. Maybe they should've used a little common sense. Give him one of those speeches that cops love to give and let him go. But there was absolutely no need to arrest the man.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:43 pm to TeaParty
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In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to reveal their identity when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as “stop-and-identify” statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.
In my naïveté I fully believed that this would be the case. otherwise, calling the cops to report a possible crime would be fruitless.
But I have no way of knowing - still asking for help on this.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:45 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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I am very Pro-Cop and believe they should be given the benefit of the down in most cases.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure, but if your irritation is at officers who are simply responding to a call, you're an idiot.
The irritation is not the officers responding to a call. The irritation is with officers not using their best judgment and critical thinking to determine a guy watering flowers is not in the process of committing a crime. I mean exactly what nefarious activity did they think was taking place? The cops are fricking idiots for spending more than 30 seconds investigating it.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:48 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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The irritation is not the officers responding to a call.
He had an attitude as soon as they walked up, otherwise you might have a point.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:50 pm to the808bass
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Why would you put someone in handcuffs given all that? Because you’re stupid.
Because GWM is a cop and he expects his boots to be sufficiently licked.
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