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re: Black pastor is handcuffed for watering his neighbor's flowers

Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by TeaParty
Member since May 2022
935 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:55 pm to
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Jennings was taken to jail and later charged with obstruction of government operation


It goes to the DA also. If this p***ker h**d is the one that charges him he should be fired. What government operation was in play other than a wrongful arrest. And he wasn't charged with resisting so what high and mighty government operation did he obstruct.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
15081 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:03 pm to
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With cases like these becoming commonplace


You really think cases like this are becoming more commonplace as opposed to more reported?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:06 pm to
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Good lord, Hank. Dealing in absolutes should be beneath you.
If I am traveling out-of-town, I would APPRECIATE a neighbor keeping an eye on my place in my absence.

I damned-sure would NOT appreciate some loud-mouthed outsider/stranger calling her a Karen and saying that she should be “minding her own business.”
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:11 pm to
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He said who he was, but refused to identify himself.


He said Pastor Jennings. He later gives his full name. Michael Jennings. They still arrested him. Know how many Michael Jennings live in Childersburg, AL? It’s not 33.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:13 pm to
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If I am traveling out-of-town, I would APPRECIATE a neighbor keeping an eye on my place in my absence.


I would expect a neighbor who’s nosy enough to call the police on someone on my property to at least know what my own vehicle looks like.

Also, maybe get a little closer than 200 yards so that if it’s someone I know from the neighborhood, I don’t call the police on a neighbor.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:16 pm to
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We are killing ourselves with this expectation that there can never be any mistakes made by cops.

No truer words were ever spoken, and no greater condemnation of today's society can be uttered/

We expect/demand absolute perfection (after analyzing every possible outcome for a period of time) in every conceivable situation (after urging every contact to be as difficult and confrontational as possible.

Then - society comes down with the condemnation of the cop.

SURE!!! - there is a smattering of actual bad behavior by cops (find me a profession that is absolutely perfect, and I'll kiss your arse.) More people are killed by medical doctor mistakes than there are cops.

Cops are dealt the dirtiest hand possible - forced to interact with the dregs of society, and demanding they absorb any abuse from the slugs for as long as possible all the while maintaining a helpful and conciliatory disposition as they ar being spit upon -

If I were required to be a cop, I wouldn't last an hour in some of these situations - the first time some pipsqueak showed his arse, I'd be apt to shoot it.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11836 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:18 pm to
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because of some nosy arse Karen or Chad


That ain't no Chad. A true Chad is you busy fricking your girl to care what's happening at his neighbors house.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:24 pm to
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He said Pastor Jennings. He later gives his full name. Michael Jennings. They still arrested him. Know how many Michael Jennings live in Childersburg, AL? It’s not 33.
I am not familiar with this town, but in my hometown about one older Black man in three claims to be a pastor of some sort. I would not expect every cop to be familiar with all of them.
Posted by THog
Member since Dec 2021
2282 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:29 pm to
Beligerant or not, sometimes you have to lose the ego. Therr is no benefit in arresting the guy. Just tons of bad press for the police (and all police). And arresting him, knowing no reasonable judge is gonna uphold the charges, especially one the neighbor confirms story. Sometimes it's best to just walk away and know you don't have to always have the last word. Especially when is a situation with zero net positive.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:32 pm to
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There was a time when watching an absent neighbor’s property was not derided.

But was this really "watching a neighbor's property" in the normal sense of the word.

if it is a 'neighbor', you might want to notice if any suspicious activity is actually taking place. It would seem that someone watering the 'neighbor's' shrubbery (especially if you know the 'neighbor' is away from home) would not be suspicious (especially if the person is well known by the 'neighbor')

If the caller is so far removed from his 'neighbor' that he didn't know of his absence, or was unfamiliar with the 'neighbors' acquaintances. perhaps he should have watched for some sort of suspicious activity before siccing the cops on the waterer.

This is not to absolve the waterer from being an a-hole either - he could have acted like a civil human and understood the situation the cops were in - they had been ORDERED to go to the scene and INVESTIGATE a SUSPICIOUS MAN reported by a 'well-meaning' NEIGHBOR. ===== and then this 'suspect' acts like the COPs are interfering with HIS precious rights.

The 'neighbor' should have continued to watch the unfolding scene that HE had engineered with his call - perhaps even noting what the 'intruder' actually DID in the time between calling 911 and the arrival of the cops. HE could/should have been the first one on the scene to de-escalate the situation IMMEDIATELY after he noted the 'intruder' was NOT acting suspiciously, perhaps even RECOGNIZED the 'intruder' as being a friend, acknowledging that it was all a MISTAKE to call 911 in the first place.

There are PLENTY of stupid people amongst this group - and the only ones who were REQUIRED to be there as a matter of LAW were the poor cops. THEY should be the ones everyone is apologizing to, rather than going out of their way to second guess every thing they did.

Piss on this new concept of 'make their job as hard as possible in the hopes of getting some street cred or possibility of a lawsuit.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8761 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:33 pm to
Why wasn't it... a neighbor was handcuffed for watering his neighbor's flowers? What does being black and a pastor has to do with anything?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476721 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:34 pm to
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He had a terrible attitude/disposition from the very start

Irrelevant. He was doing nothing wrong.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21238 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:35 pm to
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And the cops actions are exactly why I don't blindly support LE.


No one should blindly support any organization that is run by humans
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476721 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:36 pm to
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Do you think the "Pastor" conducted himself in a polite, professional manner ?

That isn't his duty.

He's an innocent, free citizen who is being interfered with by an arm of the government.

It's their burden to conduct themselves professionally and to investigate his alleged criminal behavior, not invent criminal behavior to arrest him because his attitude was "unprofessional"
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:41 pm to
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I would not expect every cop to be familiar with all of them.


Nor would I. But they could do a basic search of Michael Jennings and see that one lived right where this person said he did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476721 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:41 pm to
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Just because you can be a jackass doesn't mean you should.


This applies to the LEO here 10000000000000000x more than the innocent victim of the state "serving and protecting"
Posted by shspanthers
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
900 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:43 pm to
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The cops have to respond to the call or they get in trouble. They also have the right to ask for id.


Not unless a law is being broken, they don’t. Not if they THUNK a law MIGHT be broken.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65826 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:44 pm to
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Good lord, Hank. Dealing in absolutes should be beneath you.


Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:50 pm to
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quote:
He had a terrible attitude/disposition from the very start
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Irrelevant. He was doing nothing wrong.


/\ that right /\ THERE /\ is what is wrong with society today.
You have no obligation to grovel, but you insist on your right to be an a-hole when someone is just trying to do the job they are REQUIRED to do, you fully deserve whatever you get in return.

A little common courtesy is all that is required to create a good society. Everyone exercising their 'right' to be an a-hole does not impose an OBLIGATION on anyone else to accept it willingly.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:53 pm to
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This applies to the LEO here 10000000000000000x more than the innocent victim of the state "serving and protecting"

oh bullshite

Let's consider this scenario

Guy is seen around a neighbor's house and neighbor calls 911 to report a "suspicious stranger"

Cops come out and see a guy with a waterhose spraying a shrub. Says "OK nothing to see here" and leaves.

A week from now the smell of death from the house causes someone to discover three dead bodies.

Cops congratulated for "good job" >?????? or no.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 3:54 pm
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