re: Black jurors show a 50-point swing based on the race of the defendant.

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You’re still not understanding my concerns about the validity of the data. It seems like you’re saying that because of arrests, which many scholars argue are a result of systemic racism (which i know the board overwhelmingly denies the existence of), the data has to be true.

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the thread is about juries. not law enforcement. black jurors in the uk had a 50 point spread on conviction. the white spread was 7 points, in favor of black defendants.

again, this is over convictions. not arrests. not charges.

39% of white jurors in the UK voted to convict white defendants. they voted 32% to convict black defendants.

73% of black jurors voted to convict white defendants
24% voted to convict black defendants


that by definition can not be a problem of methodology. that’s 10+ times outside the margin of error for most studies. I don’t know what the sample size for this study was, but until proven otherwise I’d just assume it’s in line with similar academic studies

that’s already been provided to you by another poster. you’re the prosecutor, go collect your evidence

You replied to me so I can only assume you wanted me to see the response. Why are you being so defensive when I havent insulted you at all?

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You replied to me so I can only assume you wanted me to see the response.

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I replied to you because YOU made the comment.

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Why are you being so defensive when I haven't insulted you at all?

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I'm not being defensive. You are. Understandably, I might add. I simply called out the mindlessness of people who say what you said, at least in my own experience.

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It wouldn’t be ethical to actually study this in a way that would provide valid data.

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Just like every other disparate outcome study.

A sample size of less than 400 is far too low anyway.

Plenty of uncontrolled variables like in all outcome based studies.

For example % of public defenders vs jury pool.

People need to defend things when they are correct, not when it agrees with their world view.

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People need to defend things when they are correct, not when it agrees with their world view.

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know we were beefing the other day but I appreciate your critical approach to data.

Who still believes blacks can’t be racist?

The black judges are worse.

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If the tweet is true, why are so many black men locked up at high rates in cities with a decent sized Black population if their juror pools are biased?

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What percentage of those charged with a felony end up going to trial? Very small number.

The bias in favor of black defendants on trial is an observable reality, even in, or maybe especially in, cases where the cops are black, the judge is black, the lawyers are black, and the victim is black (as strange as that may seem).

It comes down to this, imo, everyone is simply tired of the long L O N G line of black male criminals being herded before their eyes in the justice system and on the news, and so we subconsciously look for ANY reason to acquit one if we can.

Defense lawyers know this, so the black defendants they take to trial instead of pleading out usually have at least some tiny thing in their favor. Things like: limited or no arrest history, has a job, lives in the same house as his kids, the arresting cop once was accused of racism for mispronouncing Chastanquaa’s name. It doesn’t take much.

What's interesting is this study is nearly 20yrs old, and from Britain. Frankly it would be troubling if, upon seeing those findings, a similar study was not undertaken here. But I've not located it, if it was conducted.