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re: Bishop Duca going political again
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:27 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:27 pm to Lsupimp
I heard the same message you did. But I also think that it was an inappropriate dig at law enforcement that he doesn’t agree with. I’m fine with praying for people - but the timing of it and specific reference to ICE seemed to be him attempting to make some political point, which wasn’t cool.
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:27 pm to Semper Gumby
good - don't go back please
Welcome immigrants and refugees as if they were Me.”
Matthew 25:35 – “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
Welcome immigrants and refugees as if they were Me.”
Matthew 25:35 – “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:28 pm to Louisianalabguy
Nothing on DBR’s Facebook page. That’s unusual for a bishop to grant a diocese-wide dispensation and not publicize it. Either they took it down due to the reaction, or never put it up because they were afraid of the reaction.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:31 pm to HailToTheChiz
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One of the biggest turn offs to "church" has been everything becoming political in the past few years. People will worship outside of the organized church
actually its that people such as yourself have confused morals with politics.
want proof here are two people I am sure you supported in the past
LINK
It's sad that what is destroying America is what you all have allowed Trump to do not just to your party but the country and the world.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:39 pm to Louisianalabguy
Matthew 19:21 – “Sell your possessions and give to the poor.”
John 18:36 – “My kingdom is not of this world.”
Matthew 6:24 - You cannot serve both God and money.”
Matthew 5:44 – “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”
Matthew 25:35 – “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
If you’re upset about that letter, and you’ve actually been sitting in church hearing the sermons, then you might want to reconsider going back, because it’s clear you’re not paying attention to the Bible or to anything Jesus actually taught.
John 18:36 – “My kingdom is not of this world.”
Matthew 6:24 - You cannot serve both God and money.”
Matthew 5:44 – “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”
Matthew 25:35 – “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
If you’re upset about that letter, and you’ve actually been sitting in church hearing the sermons, then you might want to reconsider going back, because it’s clear you’re not paying attention to the Bible or to anything Jesus actually taught.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:47 pm to kingfish225
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If you’re upset about that letter, and you’ve actually been sitting in church hearing the sermons, then you might want to reconsider going back, because it’s clear you’re not paying attention to the Bible or to anything Jesus actually taught.
I, like many Catholics and Christians alike, are against human trafficking which is exactly what "Catholic" charities were involved in. Please find that Bible quote for us. Until then, many of us know you have a very twisted interpretation of scripture.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:53 pm to Louisianalabguy
Bishop Duca confirmed me.
I had a long talk with him about St. Thomas Aquinas when he found out he was my patron saint. He was very enthused about it.
Regardless, that’s a completely preposterous stance and I disavow it as a Catholic.
I had a long talk with him about St. Thomas Aquinas when he found out he was my patron saint. He was very enthused about it.
Regardless, that’s a completely preposterous stance and I disavow it as a Catholic.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:01 pm to Lsupimp
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Let’s say Jose and his wife came over in 2021, and presented themselves at the border. They received a temporary stay and have to go to court periodically. They got jobs at a construction site and go to a Catholic Church. They received an extension through October 2026. However, they know that if they are discovered they can also be detained and deported. They essentially have CONFLICTING information. And their immigration attorney is specifically telling them to attend their hearings, keep their noses clean and stay off the radar as policy is fluid. On the one hand they have received extensions and have never received deportation letters. On the other they know they can be detained and deported at any time. So they keep a low profile HOPING it gets sorted out in their favor. And one of those things is avoiding public gathering spots where mass deportations may occur. And the Bishop hears this, is moved by this dilemma and issues a dispensation. Which seems to me as 100% the correct thing to do- because he is talking about their spiritual life- their relationship with Christ- and telling them that is not dependent on entering a church.
If the government openly decided that it wanted people in the situation you described deported, would that change your opinion?
I'm trying to understand where you draw the line on avoiding the government's desires for your own personal benefit when you are a "guest" in a country. Is your opinion based in the idea that the policy isn't clear?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:17 pm to kingfish225
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bullshite you want to believe that any priest who actually believes what they are preaching would be 100% aligned with that letter
Mine basically said, "this is a statement from Bishop Duca", after the homily, read the letter, then went straight to the Eucharist.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:19 pm to kingfish225
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actually its that people such as yourself have confused morals with politics.
He says whilst judging another poster.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 2:22 pm to moneyg
[quote]I'm trying to understand where you draw the line.
It's pretty easy. Don't import tens of millions of quasi slaves into your own country for the benefit of amoral businesses that use them at a fraction of the wages of your own citizens. Then, don't give government benefits to them that are meant for the exclusive benefit of citizens to support their slave wages while bankrupting the country. It's all a scam and powerful people are profiting from including the high ranking clergy of the Catholic Church.
It's pretty easy. Don't import tens of millions of quasi slaves into your own country for the benefit of amoral businesses that use them at a fraction of the wages of your own citizens. Then, don't give government benefits to them that are meant for the exclusive benefit of citizens to support their slave wages while bankrupting the country. It's all a scam and powerful people are profiting from including the high ranking clergy of the Catholic Church.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:10 pm to dragginass
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It's unfortunate that you let a charity which is unaffiliated with the church stop you from attending.
Catholic Charities is affiliated with the Catholic Church, serving as its primary domestic social service arm, with local agencies operating under diocesan bishops but as independent 501(c)(3) nonprofits. They provide aid to anyone in need, regardless of faith, and work with the Catholic Church's mission to serve the poor and vulnerable, with Catholic Charities USA as their national body.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:34 pm to Louisianalabguy
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thise who "fear" I C.E. do not have to go to church
Even if you don't fear I.C.E. you don't have go to church.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:40 pm to SippyCup
So they are non-profits, independent of the Church. You've made my point. Finances (USAID or otherwise) and potential fraud of Catholic Charities has no cross over to the church. They are not a requirement of the Church proper, and their participation in parish ministries varies based on many things. That they may carry out a mission, on their own accord, that *should* align with the church is not an indictment.
I agree they should be defunded, I don't agree with their mission on immigration, and it does not actually align with church teaching anyway. That's my position as a Catholic, which is not in defiance of any Church teaching.
I agree they should be defunded, I don't agree with their mission on immigration, and it does not actually align with church teaching anyway. That's my position as a Catholic, which is not in defiance of any Church teaching.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:04 pm to moneyg
I think it's that the status of many is different than others (Venezuelans and Haitians for instance). I am surprised that there has not been a universal blanket deportation order with an official letter that has a specific date (say 90 days) for them to leave the country. I know some have received the letter, but most haven't. Because people's status varies from country to country and week by week. As it stands now, many can plausibly say they kinda sorta maybe have some kind of legal status. They have a paper that says you are good until (some future date) and they have not received a deportation order. So, they stay as long as possible. And of course, many others will just go underground and stay indefinitely.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:40 pm to Lsupimp
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I think it's that the status of many is different than others (Venezuelans and Haitians for instance). I am surprised that there has not been a universal blanket deportation order with an official letter that has a specific date (say 90 days) for them to leave the country. I know some have received the letter, but most haven't. Because people's status varies from country to country and week by week. As it stands now, many can plausibly say they kinda sorta maybe have some kind of legal status. They have a paper that says you are good until (some future date) and they have not received a deportation order. So, they stay as long as possible. And of course, many others will just go underground and stay indefinitely.
I'm trying to understand where the line is drawn between fear being a valid reason to try and avoid deportation (and therefore church) vs. it being an invalid reason.
To me, it's hard to argue that someone who is in the country as a guest would not have a moral obligation to leave if asked/required. Certainly, Duca wouldn't offer a dispensation for an immoral behavior, right?
So, where is the line drawn? Is it in the lack of clarity? Is morality really being determined at the margins like that?
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:53 pm to kingfish225
This isn’t a debate about immigration.. it’s about illegal immigration. It’s about the rule of law. It’s about protecting your own flock and not hiding people who’ve decided the rules don’t apply to them. The church has so much historical hypocrisy on this subject… It’s time for them to tend to the needs of those here.. or to expend their stewardship further into the places in which these folks come.. it’s not to grant clemency to those in moral quandaries based on fear.. it’s mind boggling to me knowing the church is about to ask my parish to fund the churches infrastructure vision to the tune of millions.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:57 pm to moneyg
I think you framed that beautifully and from the standpoint of the illegal immigrant the decision is certainly made on comparative quality of life/economic/freedom basis. I don't think there is any real consideration of moral hazard or the social contract. It's a Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs thing-food housing etc. now, self-actualization possibly down the road. In other words, moral consistency later.
When I lived in Japan (I've told this story several times here before) I was visited by the police at my house, welcomed, a copy of my passport made, traffic laws were explained, I was told to enjoy the country and obey the laws, and told I would be taken forcibly to the airport if I overstayed my work visa. I of course, did see my stay there as a guest as a moral consideration, and I strived to respectfully obey their cultural norms and laws. I did not dread a return back to America.
As for Bishop Duca, I think the bible makes it clear what the earthly realm of The State and God are, the two Kingdoms, and how they should ideally coexist. Render to...So, to me, this is clear. Bishop Duca may have another idea; you'd have to ask him. Again-I am simply saying a dispensation is morally consistent with Church doctrine, but being here illegally is not. But I'd love to hear you pose that question to him.
When I lived in Japan (I've told this story several times here before) I was visited by the police at my house, welcomed, a copy of my passport made, traffic laws were explained, I was told to enjoy the country and obey the laws, and told I would be taken forcibly to the airport if I overstayed my work visa. I of course, did see my stay there as a guest as a moral consideration, and I strived to respectfully obey their cultural norms and laws. I did not dread a return back to America.
As for Bishop Duca, I think the bible makes it clear what the earthly realm of The State and God are, the two Kingdoms, and how they should ideally coexist. Render to...So, to me, this is clear. Bishop Duca may have another idea; you'd have to ask him. Again-I am simply saying a dispensation is morally consistent with Church doctrine, but being here illegally is not. But I'd love to hear you pose that question to him.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:20 pm to dragginass
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saying he's retarded for writing that.
Well you just got two strikes and Timmy Walz court
Posted on 12/8/25 at 7:27 pm to dafif
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I think the Catholic Church is not a true representative at Christ and God but just another greedy despicable human establishment
its one dude dumbass. do i need to show you all the fricked up PROD churches who OPENLY ordain and marry LGBT?
all churches have internal battles. as a catholic this dude is a clown and should be kicked out.
churches are not supposed to turn people away however they also are supposed to follow the laws of caesar.
we need to shitcan all these left wing hijacked NGOs who aided and abetted. that is the ones who really need to be shutdown. you have about 10 groups who are supposedly religious affiliated NGOs.
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