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re: Birthright citizenship exposes leftist hypocrisy once more.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:31 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:31 pm to 4cubbies
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I wonder how many framers were only Americans because their immigrant mothers gave birth to them on American soil.
Uhhhhhhhhhh... the country hadn't yet been formed at all when the framers were born. There was no US soil when they were born to be a part of.
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:32 pm to 4cubbies
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I wonder how many framers were only Americans because their immigrant mothers gave birth to them on American soil.
Cubbies, I assume that you feel the constitution is clear here and shouldn’t be chipped away at simply because we don’t like what it says, correct? If you want to change the constitution, amend it, no?
Assuming you feel that way about the nature of our constitution, you should logically be in favor of removing all restrictions/infringements on the 2nd amendment as well, correct?
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:47 pm to JiminyCricket
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It is 100% true that leftists are hypocritical but it's also true that the way to change birthright citizenship is to amend the constitution and not just interpret it differently. I don't want activist judges having the power to just "interpret" shite any which way they want.
It's also why any and all restrictions on the 2nd amendment should be gone yesterday. I agree, though, that if leftists had even an ounce of integrity that they claim to have regarding the constitution, they should be right there next to us kicking and sreaming for the rollback of restrictions on the 2nd amendment. But, they won't because they don't actually have ethics or morals.
From your lips to God's ears.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:48 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Not really. There is an explicit right enumerated in the Consitution of American citizens to own guns. There is no explicit right to citizenship by simply being born on U.S. soil under any circumstances.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). In that case, the Court held that a man born in San Francisco to Chinese parents who were subjects of China but lawfully domiciled in the U.S. was a citizen from birth under the Fourteenth Amendment.
The Constitution does NOT explicitly state that Illegal aliens pumping out kids while illegally being in the U.S. automatically makes those children U.S. citizens. That's some major bullshite.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). In that case, the Court held that a man born in San Francisco to Chinese parents who were subjects of China but lawfully domiciled in the U.S. was a citizen from birth under the Fourteenth Amendment.
The Constitution does NOT explicitly state that Illegal aliens pumping out kids while illegally being in the U.S. automatically makes those children U.S. citizens. That's some major bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:51 pm to Placekicker
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This part!!! Our own laws are being used to destroy us.
Yup. But hey, as long as we continue to allow it to happen, at least we're being "princpled" and honoring the infallible U.S. Constitution (that doesn't explicitly provide birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens). Principled conservatives can at least pat themselves on the back about that I guess.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:52 pm to rocksteady
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You can dance around with your stupidity all you want, but we all know they never intended for birth tourism to actually be a constitutionally protected thing you blubbering fat retard
Posted on 4/1/26 at 2:58 pm to BTROleMisser
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United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). In that case, the Court held that a man born in San Francisco to Chinese parents who were subjects of China but lawfully domiciled in the U.S. was a citizen from birth under the Fourteenth Amendment. The Constitution does NOT explicitly state that Illegal aliens pumping out kids while illegally being in the U.S. automatically makes those children U.S. citizens. That's some major bullshite.
The “legality” of the parents isn’t relevant. You’re suggesting that if someone on a green card misses their court date (and are no longer here legally) then gives birth, their kid is not a citizen. If they made their court date, their kid would be a citizen.
See how dumb that is? Statutory immigration laws do not supersede the Constitution. It provides the baseline which Congress can expand, not limit.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:08 pm to JiminyCricket
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Cubbies, I assume that you feel the constitution is clear here and shouldn’t be chipped away at simply because we don’t like what it says, correct? If you want to change the constitution, amend it, no?
I actually don't know how I feel about the Constitution anymore. It seems silly that we let a 300 year old document govern a country in a world that the people who wrote said document couldn't possibly fathom. 
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
So a person from another country breaks the law of the USA by illegally entering the USA and is pregnant. Granting U.S. Citizenship to the child born during this person's illegal presence in the U.S. is akin to allowing an illegal alien bank robber to pass title of the stolen cash and goods to their children and then forcing the bank to open an account for the children and provide services.
"I'm from China and I am going to send millions of pregnant Chinese women to the USA illegally because their birth policy is good for China," says the Chinese leader..
"I'm from China and I am going to send millions of pregnant Chinese women to the USA illegally because their birth policy is good for China," says the Chinese leader..
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:12 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You kinda self-owned here as well…you realize that, don’t you?
My head hurts from reading such stupid takes on this issue and our political landscape in general.
The leftist viewpoint has actually attacked, undermined and written legislation against the second amendment. More importantly, the SECOND amendment was written by the framers of the constitution and actually in conjunction with it. I could go on, but these are simply not logical equivalents, and to argue as such, IMO, is self-owning very limited logical capacity.
Nothing the left does confers intellectual honesty. They don’t worry themselves with any other decisions they have made or soapboxes they have stood upon in the past. As long as they all align on today’s issue, they have strength. Compare that to the right, who holds the majority in all branches of government, but still can’t push policy through.
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Both sides are generally hypocritical.
Please make it stop.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:15 pm to CleverUserName
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the country hadn't yet been formed at all when the framers were born. There was no US soil when they were born to be a part of.
I guess y’all don’t know the 14th amendment was passed in…..1868
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:18 pm to 4cubbies
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I wonder how many framers were only Americans because their immigrant mothers gave birth to them on American soil.
More retarded nonsense. The framers indeed made themselves citizens, because they made the country.
How is it possible to be this stupid, and also feel so free to express your opinions?
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:19 pm to OceanMan
You're legit melting. You OK, bro?
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:22 pm to OceanMan
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More retarded nonsense. The framers indeed made themselves citizens, because they made the country.
Are you arguing that they made themselves citizens as an exception to the amendment that would eventually be ratified?
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How is it possible to be this stupid, and also feel so free to express your opinions?
You don't seem like you're capable of following logical thoughts so idk if you're the right person to be asking this question.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:25 pm to 4cubbies
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I wonder how many framers were only Americans because their immigrant mothers gave birth to them on American soil.
None. They were all British subjects. They were not immigrants because the colonies were part of Britain.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're legit melting. You OK, bro?
Shut the frick up. Nobody likes you.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:31 pm to 4cubbies
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Are you arguing that they made themselves citizens as an exception to the amendment that would eventually be ratified?
No stupid, I’m arguing they made themselves citizens by establishing the country. This isn’t a civics lesson, it’s just basic functional knowledge
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You don't seem like you're capable of following logical thoughts so idk if you're the right person to be asking this question.
Good one
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:52 pm to JiminyCricket
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Assuming you feel that way about the nature of our constitution, you should logically be in favor of removing all restrictions/infringements on the 2nd amendment as well, correct?
I fully support the Second and I agree with removing unlawful restrictions on it.
What many 2A proponents dont understand, though, is there were limits on the "right to bear arms" when the Constitution was written.
The "Right to Bear Arms" was established in England in 1689. Over the next 200 years, it was litigated, debated and morphed into a common law right. It had restrictions that had already long been recognized, and those restrictions are inherent in the right protected by the 2A.
Now, additional restrictions would be considered an infringement. But laws that merely help define the inherent limits are not an ifringement.
But, obviously, the limits and definitions are open to robust debate.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:53 pm to OceanMan
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Shut the frick up. Nobody likes you.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 3:55 pm to TFH
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I guess y’all don’t know the 14th amendment was passed in…..1868
I'm just replying to a hypothetical. But I somewhat doubt the author of rhe post I replied to knew it.
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