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re: Biden says that the Fed Gov't is going to fully fund the repair of the Scott Key Bridge

Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:44 pm to
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6011 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:44 pm to
The Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup was paid for by Exxon.

The Deep Water Horizon spill cleanup was paid for by BP.

We The People should not be saddled with the cost of replacing this bridge that a shipping company destroyed through its incompetence or neglect.
Posted by DiogenesLamp
Pensacola
Member since Jun 2021
60 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:00 pm to
Turtle's recently deceased sister in-law was CEO of the shipping company.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25568 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:42 pm to
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The sticky wicket is the Limitation of Liability Act of 1851, 46 USC § 30501. Which as a precious poster alluded to limits liability to the value of the ship. There are ways to get around the limitation and some preliminary facts have come out which may support that but you can guarantee the litigation involved in this will be very complex and very lengthy.


I'm not familiar with the act of 1851.

Exxon personally paid $550M punitive damages for the Valdez accident. That was after Exxon paid $1B in lawsuits and an additional $2B in cleanup expenses.

Do we need an appraisal on the Valdez?
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
5714 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:36 pm to
If the feds pay for it then they will say that they get to name it. And I promise you it won’t be the Francis Scott Key brigade anymore
Posted by Paytonisablowhard
Member since Feb 2024
130 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:12 pm to
Well duh, they have to build a train track in it too. So when history looks back he won't be a complete liar
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29126 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 8:43 am to
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Well duh, they have to build a train track in it too. So when history looks back he won't be a complete liar


It's not a bad idea to at least provision the bridge for possibly adding rail at a later date.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 1:15 pm to
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Or its insurers. That's what insurance is for


That was my thoughts too. Why even have insurance if they’re just going to get a pass when it’s time to, umm, do their job?


But on second thought, if I'm the insurance company and shipping company, I'll argue in court that the state/federal government should have had concrete protectors in place. That almost certainly would have prevented the bridge from suffering that kind of damage. And I'll point out that a ship hitting the bridge supports was a foreseeable act, based on the Sunshine Skyway Bridge incident in Tampa many years ago. This whole tragedy was foreseeable and preventable, and the government responsible for the maintenance of the bridge bears a great deal of responsibility.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

We The People should not be saddled with the cost of replacing this bridge that a shipping company destroyed through its incompetence or neglect.



And I'll argue in court that the accident was foreseeable by the government (see the Sunshine Skyway) and the government was negligent in not constructing protective barriers. And I'll win.

LINK

See the new Sunshine Skyway with the concrete barriers. The fact that the government had not put these in place shows mindboggling stupidity on the part of those in authority.



Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29450 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 5:31 pm to
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the Fed Gov't is going to fully fund the repair of the Scott Key Bridge

And where does the federal government get their money?
Posted by 62Tigerfan
Member since Sep 2015
4616 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 6:12 pm to
So I should have asked Biden for the money to replace my roof from the last hurricane?
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
8061 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 9:58 pm to


10 years to build a single bridge.

And some of you still think society is functioning?

Let me explain to you what's really happening.

Since the GFC in 2008, the world has by and large stopped building things.

A sort of malaise has taken over...

People have become rich from doing nothing, thanks to astronomical rises in stocks and real estate, and the next generation has no incentive to build anything because they are piss poor...

Wages have gone nowhere at the same time that cost of living has gone through the roof.

So people instead try to emulate what those recently rich people did: just gamble it all on stocks and real estate.

No one wants to produce anything the economy needs anymore, because they can't earn enough from doing so.

That's why it now takes 10 years to build a bridge.

The financialisation of everything, via the fiat monetary system, has warped the incentives that govern our economy so badly that it no longer makes sense to work hard.
Posted by Wishing Well
Member since Mar 2024
323 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:03 pm to
Which means that the Fed is going to launder a ton of money thru Baltimore that will end up in the hands of leftist groups.

Which is sad because the Fed probably should be heavily involved in something of this magnitude in a perfect world. Unfortunately, it'll just be an opportunity to turn the brazenly illegal and immoral into clean Democrat dollars.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
10938 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

government was negligent in not constructing protective barriers. And I'll win.


Someone needs to look at the pics again. Look in the water by the bridge.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47654 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:34 pm to
When has the government ever paid for anything? All he does is lie
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1062 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:56 pm to
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And I'll argue in court that the accident was foreseeable by the government (see the Sunshine Skyway) and the government was negligent in not constructing protective barriers. And I'll win.


Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25576 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

I'm not familiar with the act of 1851.

Exxon personally paid $550M punitive damages for the Valdez accident. That was after Exxon paid $1B in lawsuits and an additional $2B in cleanup expenses.

Do we need an appraisal on the Valdez?


In the case of The Valdez accident the liability shield was pierced by the finding Exxon had negligently retained a drunkaholic captain. The original damages were something like 2 Billion and in subsequent appeals brought down to ~500 million but they ended up owing around a billion with interest.

Based on some facts that have come out specifically an interview with a dock maintenance worker who said they were doing repairs on Dali while berthed because they were having electrical issues caused by the refrigerated reefers amount the cargo. If substantiated, causality is shown and privity and knowledge of the vessel owner is proven then the liability caps of Section 30501 disappear.


Since you brought up the Valdez the case took almost 20 years to be fully litigated culminating in a SCOTUS decision. This should be considered when saying the ship owner/shipping company should pay for the bridge. The reality is "we" can't wait that long just like we can't wait a decade or more to spend the money to clear the shipping channel.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

government was negligent in not constructing protective barriers. And I'll win.


Someone needs to look at the pics again. Look in the water by the bridge.



Duhhh. Someone needs to learn to read fricking English. That's the new Sunshine Skyway I posted a photo of and was referring to, numbnuts. They were put into place when the old bridge was replaced after this happened.



That happened 44 years ago. Authorities in charge of maintaining the FSK bridge were fricking retarded for not learning from the Sunshine Skyway disaster.

Caption for the photo below: "View of the current bridge (top) and the old bridges: The piers of the current bridge are protected by structural dolphins."



Sunshone Skyway Bridge.
Posted by CutTheCord
Texas
Member since Aug 2022
741 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:42 pm to
They did this so they could rename it BLM LGBTPEDO+ Bridge.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
2958 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:01 pm to
Bet the funding for bridge has Ukraine funds attached.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
10938 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 5:16 pm to
Look at the picture of the Baltimore bridge crash. Look in the water.
Are there a bunch? No. Are they the best? No. Are they there? Yes.


This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 5:19 pm
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