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re: Bernie Sanders says that "health care is a basic human right"
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:58 pm to LSURN98
Posted on 2/16/20 at 12:58 pm to LSURN98
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Guess that depends on your definition of “bare minimum”
Emergency, life sustaining measures. It’s very broad and very complicated, but that’s where I would start the discussion.
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Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Emergency, life sustaining measures. It’s very broad and very complicated, but that’s where I would start the discussion.
Acute, or long term? And at what point are life sustaining measures considered futile? Is there a timeline given a certain diagnosis? And who’s data do you base survival probabilities on? What is an acceptable outcome?
You see, this is a rabbit hole I don’t wanna get into with you, especially when you deflect every point I prove you wrong on.
I have seen a patient sit in the ICU on a vent for over a year, rotting in the bed. Have you?
Stick to your knees and hips and occasional ORIF and have a great day.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:32 pm to L.A.
This is a tricky one in my opinion. Yes, it would be nice if others didn’t have to foot the bill for others healthcare, but it’s a messy world. I have always interpreted this philosophy as I would personally like to be able to offer healthcare to everyone, that would be ideal, but it’s just that...idealistic. Of all the things to socialize, I guess healthcare makes sense theoretically so people didn’t go broke when they were injured or sick, but the financial standpoint is mind boggling to say the least. I still opt for taking responsibility for your own life, getting a job with benefits, and working hard like good Americans.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:35 pm to L.A.
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Bernie Sanders says that "health care is a basic human right"
Seriously, human right? 75 Y/O person that has insurance for heart transplant, can get a transplant, or even pay for it himself. If medical care is a human right, heart transplants must be offered to all, etc. People can be very unreasonable if they have a legislated right to fall back on.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 1:36 pm to KingOrange
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I just looked over The Constitution and didn’t see Healthcare.
Bernie might be basing his assertion that health care is right on the phrase "promote the general welfare" found in the preamble of the constitution. Frankly, that isn't as much of stretch as finding the "right" to an abortion in the document is.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:09 pm to LSURN98
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Acute, or long term? And at what point are life sustaining measures considered futile? Is there a timeline given a certain diagnosis? And who’s data do you base survival probabilities on? What is an acceptable outcome?
You see, this is a rabbit hole I don’t wanna get into with you
You are proving my point for me. These are discussions worth having, instead of the same old "is healthcare a right" argument.
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I have seen a patient sit in the ICU on a vent for over a year, rotting in the bed. Have you?
I have too.
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Stick to your knees and hips and occasional ORIF and have a great day.
Ahh the ol' "you're not a 'real' doctor who has to deal with real life and death scenarios." An oldie but a goodie 
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:26 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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You are proving my point for me. These are discussions worth having, instead of the same old "is healthcare a right" argument.
Yes they are, but again the problem is I don’t have the time to argue them with you, unfortunately.
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Ahh the ol' "you're not a 'real' doctor who has to deal with real life and death scenarios." An oldie but a goodie
Please forgive me if I came off this way. Everyone has a role, and although I certainly respect ortho their “overall” perspective is often myopic and obtuse. Again I hate to generalize, but you don’t touch patients unless they are stable for sx, and no, a little skeletal traction or an ex-fix during the acute phase doesn’t count. You are not actively managing anything.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:34 pm to LSURN98
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Yes they are, but again the problem is I don’t have the time to argue them with you, unfortunately.
Fair enough.
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Again I hate to generalize,
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but you don’t touch patients unless they are stable for sx
Doesn't seem like you hate to generalize to me
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and no, a little skeletal traction or an ex-fix during the acute phase doesn’t count
Why not?
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You are not actively managing anything.
Nonsense. We actively manage all injuries/pathologies related to the musculoskeletal system. We're the only ones who do that.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:55 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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The person I mention is shot or having a heart attack.
They already get healthcare in that position.
In what health situation should it start?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:56 pm to Geekboy
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Why do you have a right to police protection? Where does that come from?
You don't.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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On the other side, your “bare minimum” in a medical sense could be multiple times more expensive than any elective care that as a society we deem as not “bare minimum
this may come as a shock to you but I'm actually fine with helping people who truly need help Access medical Care.
But liberals aren't talking about that and they never have been in my lifetime.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 2:58 pm to Geekboy
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Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to police protection?
Where in any document does it say that you do?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:01 pm to RollTide1987
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Playing devil's advocate, does this mean that those men and women who can't afford an attorney don't have the right to have an attorney provided for them in a criminal trial?
Equal protection under the law.
If one didn't have an attorney the case would be thrown out on appeal.
It just makes sense. It would be a Golden Ticket for criminals.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:04 pm to L.A.
I agree with the words, just in a different order.
“Basic health care is a human right”
As a society with resources, we should provide basic emergency care to citizens and visa holders and we already do.
“Basic health care is a human right”
As a society with resources, we should provide basic emergency care to citizens and visa holders and we already do.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:06 pm to Geekboy
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For you morons arguing this, I hope the day doesn’t come when your wife, child or loved one of your choice gets ill and you can’t afford a life saving procedure because you don’t have a right to top quality healthcare because your not wealthy enough.
Appeal to Emotions Fallacy.
When you can't make your case based on the merits, appeal to emotions.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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but you don’t touch patients unless they are stable for sx
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Doesn't seem like you hate to generalize to me
I mean do you? If so congrats you are the first ortho ever.
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Nonsense. We actively manage all injuries/pathologies related to the musculoskeletal system. We're the only ones who do that.
I was referring to the active resuscitation of a patient in the midst of an acute injury, my fault for not being specific. Pretty sure Neurosx actively manages spine and skull injuries all the time. You sure about that? Or are we not counting the axial skeleton?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:21 pm to L.A.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:41 pm to LSURN98
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I mean do you? If so congrats you are the first ortho ever.
All the time when I was an intern.
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I was referring to the active resuscitation of a patient in the midst of an acute injury, my fault for not being specific.
Very much within the scope of what an orthopaedic traumatologist does.
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Pretty sure Neurosx actively manages spine and skull injuries all the time. You sure about that? Or are we not counting the axial skeleton?
This is the best you can do
Find a small exception to my overwhelmingly factual statement as if that changes anything. 
Posted on 2/16/20 at 3:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Quality at OKC is very good.
But as far as quality goes.....
Doubt it's good enough to to drive medical tourism from Philly, Rochester, or Dallas, but bang for the buck is superb nonetheless.
As an aside, one of our local GI docs told this story: Neurosurgeons in the Kansas City area left their hospital (?St Lukes?) and tried to set up a center similar to OKC.
Hospital Admin responded by offering insurance carriers a cut in rates, but only if they committed to not covering neurosurgery performed at the OPT center. Insurance carriers agreed. The Neurosurgery Center was driven out-of-business. Problem solved.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Very much within the scope of what an orthopaedic traumatologist does.
This the best you can do? Come up with a small exception to my overwhelmingly factual statement as if it changes anything? Never met or even seen one in a hospital but I’m gonna presume they exist. Consider me educated.
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This is the best you can do Find a small exception to my overwhelmingly factual statement as if that changes anything.
Not in a pissing contest with you bud, however YOU were the one speaking in absolutes, not me. I was just pointing out how you were unequivocally wrong. So sorry if I struck a nerve.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 4:03 pm
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