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Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:07 pm to LSURN98
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Never met or even seen one in a hospital but I’m gonna presume they exist.
Never seen a trauma surgeon in a trauma hospital? Weird
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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Quality at OKC is very good.
I don’t doubt that.
I think it is a very interesting business model which without question has a place in our current structure. And I believe more and more places like that are coming. But because they will likely only tackle the more simple cases, there will still exist a need for the complex.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:12 pm to LSUconvert
quote:Negative.
Maybe you missed why I brought it up, but the claim was that your right cannot be to someone else's labor.
I laid out exactly why you brought it up. You used a 6th Amendment argument to back your claim. I demonstrated that claim to be BS.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Don't sell the concept short. Combine an OPT center with a clinical hotel, and you can address a bunch of ortho. FYI.
But because they will likely only tackle the more simple cases
E.g., we have an OPT Neuro facility that does spine work -- ACF's, LL's, etc. Very successful.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/16/20 at 4:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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Don't sell the concept short. Combine an OPT center with a clinical hotel, and you can address a bunch of ortho. FYI.
E.g., we have an OPT Neuro facility that does spine work -- ACF's, LL's, etc. Very successful.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good business model and we’ll see more and more of it. But with a flat rate for a procedure, it incentivized simpler cases on ideal operative candidates. Someone else is going to do the harder stuff on the chubbier patients.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 5:06 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Ask people with public defenders if the government provides “top quality” legal services.
Notice the sleight of hand? THIS is what I already addressed in the thread. People not only think they have a "right to "health care" which includes basically every possible level of doctor.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 5:06 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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You can’t have a right to another persons labor. That’s called slavery.
Also called “taxation”
Posted on 2/16/20 at 5:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:It makes a HUGE difference. Misusing the therm “right” doesn’t make something a Right of the people. Our current “rights” to emergency care aren’t a Right at all. They are a directive law (EMTLA) thst can be repealed and taken away at any time at the whim of Congress.
I used quotes to call it a “right” just like you did. It’s inconsequential what you call it, exactly. And it makes no difference to the more practical issues...
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Posted on 2/16/20 at 5:30 pm to JumpingTheShark
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still opt for taking responsibility for your own life, getting a job with benefits, and working hard like good Americans.
This a nice idea and all but sometimes life throws you a curve ball. You lose your job, insurance won't cover x, the copay is astronomically high, ect.
Also the idea that in order to be a "good American" you have to have a good paying job with good insurance is asinine
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Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Never seen a trauma surgeon in a trauma hospital? Weird
Nah, not an orthopedic traumatoligist or whatever that BS was you were talking about. Worked in 4 Level 1 TC’s and never saw one. Weird I know. But I suspect they do exist if you say so. But then again you were the one that forgot neurosurgeons also work on bones. As do cardiothorasic surgeons. But hey who’s counting?
Posted on 2/16/20 at 6:42 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:What gives you so much confidence a president Sanders would be successful in enacting m4a?
dawgfan24348
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:01 pm to dawgfan24348
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Also the idea that in order to be a "good American" you have to have a good paying job with good insurance is asinine
Expecting others to subsidize your healthcare is asinine.
But I wouldn't expect anything different from Liberal filth.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:04 pm to LSURN98
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Nah, not an orthopedic traumatoligist or whatever that BS was you were talking about. Worked in 4 Level 1 TC’s and never saw one. Weird I know.
Weird, indeed.
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But I suspect they do exist if you say so
Oh yes they do exist in every Level 1 trauma center. Again, weird you've never noticed....
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As do cardiothorasic surgeons.
Yep, when I think about docs that treat MSK conditions, I think cardiothoraCic ("thoracic is spelled with 2 "c's" btw) surgeons. What is going on over here Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:04 pm to Taxing Authority
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It makes a HUGE difference. Misusing the therm “right” doesn’t make something a Right of the people. Our current “rights” to emergency care aren’t a Right at all. They are a directive law (EMTLA) thst can be repealed and taken away at any time at the whim of Congress.
Fair enough, can't argue with that.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:27 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Oh yes they do exist in every Level 1 trauma center. Again, weird you've never noticed....
Or maybe these ortho surgeons who realized they really can’t do shite decided they want to be more involved did an extra 4 years in a GS rotation. But I suspect YOU aren’t one of those guys.
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As do cardiothorasic surgeons. Yep, when I think about docs that treat MSK conditions, I think cardiothoraCic ("thoracic is spelled with 2 "c's" btw) surgeons. What is going on over here
And when I think about fusions, plating, heads or basically anything complex above the waste the first thing I think of is ortho. Yeah no.
Yeah I was gonna point out some of your poor grammar earlier but decided that would be petty. Then you come in pointing out a misspelled word after being owned all night like it lends credence to your argument. But that’s the difference between you and me. That’s all you have, so congrats.
If I had to guess you probably work in a small community hospital or an ortho clinic and do hips, knees, and an occasional nailing on a grandma that fell and broke her femur, but when discussing true CCM you are like most ortho guys......lost.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:28 pm to L.A.
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If you say he means the right comes from we the people, when did we the people agree on this? What is the exact date and location of the vote?
Well there's a lot of things we didn't vote on...
But... more and more people think that access to decent health care is a "right", or at least a goal that we as a society should have.
The concept of, "let them die if they can't afford health care" is pretty tough for a lot of people to handle.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:31 pm to L.A.
Hell. Why stop there? Lets add pets while we are at it. Pets are people too.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:31 pm to Taxing Authority
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It makes a HUGE difference. Misusing the therm “right” doesn’t make something a Right of the people. Our current “rights” to emergency care aren’t a Right at all. They are a directive law (EMTLA) thst can be repealed and taken away at any time at the whim of Congress.
Yes. You notice Bernie and his ilk don't say "constitutional right" which of course it is not.
By saying "basic human right" he is equating it to things most people believe every human should have access to, things like clean air and water.
Personally I don't think there are many basic human rights at all, except for the right to be expelled from our mother's uterus and to have a go at a life.
Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:35 pm to L.A.
Americans seem to believe that primary and secondary school education is a basic right, as well. Where is that outlined in the constitution?
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