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Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:07 am to Fun Bunch
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I've seen the full clip of what he says there. He's not exactly saying what you are interpreting, but good for you.
Explain how it should be interpreted then. He is openly stating that in the event America fails by his view he will abandon it and move to Israel.
Where will you go?
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:09 am to ManBearSharkReb
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That has absolutely nothing to do with Ben Shapiro being a MIGA Zionist who will never have a critical thought or word to say against Israel and will attack anyone who critiques his preferred foreign nation. Even when the criticism is valid and shares the popular sentiment of Americans (atleast those who aren’t retarded boomers)
You’re just spreading some foreign agent’s propaganda for him. Makes you look like a useful idiot when you can’t see the obvious motivation for his attacks.
MIGA? Check.
Zionist? Check
Boomers? Check
Foreign Agent? Check
We missing anything else boys and girls? I want to make sure we hit all the podcast bro talking points.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:28 am to Deuces
Pride comes before the fall
Massie is full of himself
Massie is full of himself
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:37 am to Deuces
quote:By "stuff" you mean he started saying the exact same things Trump campaigned him and called out the Administration for not doing the thing they campaigned on?
o he started with the Epstein/Israel stuff,
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:38 am to Deuces
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He says he actually liked Massie for most of his career and agreed with his small government stances, but Massie changed this second Trump term.
Or was it Trump that changed?
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:53 am to Deuces
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He thinks that Massie knew he was cooked since he wouldn’t be getting Trump’s endorsement, so he started with the Epstein/Israel stuff, teaming with democrats, and attacking Trump to set up a podcaster/entertainer roll after Congress.
Sure, Ben.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:55 am to Fun Bunch
quote:because it’s not our fricking country? Why do you want to be slaves to another nation?
Why would any rational conservative care about this?
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:01 pm to Deuces
quote:Oh look. Shapiro parroting the talking point. As SFP has continually asked: "on what?" There's a reason Obama ran on "Hope and change". Because it's vague, and literally anything you want can be projected on it. It's literally a Bernay's technique.
but Massie changed this second Trump term.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:02 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Shapiro is the "right's" king pseudo-intellectual. Boring.
That's because he thinks he's smart.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:05 pm to DeBoar
quote:He didn't, but you're a dumbass for not understanding that he was talking about Shapiro, not Massie.
He was a complete dumbass calling Trump and his supporters the pedophile protector class.
Massie rules your world still.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:10 pm to Deuces
Oh, FFS. It wasn't Massie that changed, it was Trump.
Massie, love him or hate him, has been consistent in his values. It's Trump who changed, completely, during his second term, flopping on the Epstein files release and dragging us into another war. Massie didn't want to accept AIPAC money, and it was AIPAC money that smothered his campaign.
Shapiro doesn't give a wet damn about American concerns or its consituents.
Massie, love him or hate him, has been consistent in his values. It's Trump who changed, completely, during his second term, flopping on the Epstein files release and dragging us into another war. Massie didn't want to accept AIPAC money, and it was AIPAC money that smothered his campaign.
Shapiro doesn't give a wet damn about American concerns or its consituents.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:21 pm to shel311
quote:for the 1 millionth time, Trump did NOT campaign on Epstein gate. He was asked twice if he would release the Epstein files if elected President. Both times, he said something like, "i wouldn't have a problem with that."
By "stuff" you mean he started saying the exact same things Trump campaigned him and called out the Administration for not doing the thing they campaigned on?
He hardly made that a platform of his campaign and has never dwelt on it. If you want to argue that he SHOULD have, that's a different argument. But, don't falsely characterize his thoughts on Epstein to try to make a point.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:31 pm to Deuces
Sounds about right. Podcast, the View, CNN etc.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:32 pm to hashtag
quote:Gee, I wonder why.
He hardly made that a platform of his campaign and has never dwelt on it
He did however address it several times
quote:before telling us it is a 'democrat hoax' and getting Pam to run interference, before being forced by Massie et al to release them via the bill.
During his 2024 presidential campaign, Donald Trump frequently promised to declassify and release the government's files on Jeffrey Epstein, specifically stating he would release an Epstein "client list" and investigate the circumstances surrounding Epstein's death in prison.These campaign pledges included:
The "Client List" Release: In a September 2024 podcast interview, Trump stated he would be "inclined" to release the documents and would "have no problem" making the client list public.
Declassification Pledges: During a June 2024 Fox News interview, when asked if he would declassify Epstein-related records, Trump responded, "Yeah, I guess I would".
Investigating Epstein's Death: He also highlighted a desire to uncover exactly what happened the day Epstein died in a Manhattan jail cell, calling the situation "weird"
Epstein was definitely an Israeli op, so I'm not surprised that Trump tried to blow it off, but he did make promises, ones he didn't keep until he was forced to.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 12:38 pm to 1897
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Could be true but Ben Shapiro is a Cuck Jew boy. Cant stand him. And ironically, I like his stances for much of his career.
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Could be true but Ben Shapiro is a Cuck Jew boy. Cant stand him. And ironically, I like his stances for much of his career.
yeah i agree with him most the time, but he's got a face i just want to punch.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 1:21 pm to Deuces
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He says he actually liked Massie for most of his career and agreed with his small government stances, but Massie changed this second Trump term.
This is obviously true despite his supporters' hard-headed insistence otherwise.
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He thinks that Massie knew he was cooked since he wouldn’t be getting Trump’s endorsement, so he started with the Epstein/Israel stuff, teaming with democrats, and attacking Trump to set up a podcaster/entertainer roll after Congress.
This is true, but I believe there is more to it.
Massie has had an easy life, much of it due to his own abilities. He married his high school sweetheart. He went to MIT and was successful. He started a successful business and sold it. He won every election easily until this week.
Massie has had a fairytale life. The first adversity he ever faced was his wife's death, and he didn't have the skills to handle it. So, he did what many do in that situation. He rebeled and lashed out. He dropped the glasses and choirboy face. He became attention-seeking. He started banging sloots within weeks.
I know a guy in real life who has had it easy. He is the most naive, liberal, and soft person in our circle. Life never kicked them in the nuts when they were young, so they aren't equipped to handle adversity.
I think his wife's death did a number on him, and I truly sympathize with him. But that doesn't mean we should pretend he is the same person he was. It doesn't mean we should ignore his "look at me" persona as of late. It doesn't mean we should continue voting for a guy who is just an obstructionist fighting against his own party's president.
I feel sorry for Massie concerning his personal life, but that's not a pass for voting against the agenda his constituents' want.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 2:31 pm to blueboy
quote:yep. that's basically what i said. and despite how that shite journalist you got that from framed his actions, it was never a campaign pledge. it was an off the cuff remark.
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He hardly made that a platform of his campaign and has never dwelt on it
Gee, I wonder why.
He did however address it several times
quote:
During his 2024 presidential campaign, Donald Trump frequently promised to declassify and release the government's files on Jeffrey Epstein, specifically stating he would release an Epstein "client list" and investigate the circumstances surrounding Epstein's death in prison.These campaign pledges included:
The "Client List" Release: In a September 2024 podcast interview, Trump stated he would be "inclined" to release the documents and would "have no problem" making the client list public.
Declassification Pledges: During a June 2024 Fox News interview, when asked if he would declassify Epstein-related records, Trump responded, "Yeah, I guess I would".
Investigating Epstein's Death: He also highlighted a desire to uncover exactly what happened the day Epstein died in a Manhattan jail cell, calling the situation "weird"
before telling us it is a 'democrat hoax' and getting Pam to run interference, before being forced by Massie et al to release them via the bill.
Epstein was definitely an Israeli op, so I'm not surprised that Trump tried to blow it off, but he did make promises, ones he didn't keep until he was forced to.
Again, you can argue whether Trump SHOULD care about it. But he obviously never did and never "campaigned on that issue", or made a "campaign pledge."
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:45 pm to hashtag
quote:No, it was something he repeatedly said when questioned. It was definitely something he said he was going to do. Then, after the election, he released some bullshite we'd already seen before calling it a democrat hoax and telling people to let it die. You're not squirming out of that.
it was never a campaign pledge. it was an off the cuff remark.
What does it feel like to argue against the release of the Epstein files?
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