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re: Ben Shapiro thinks you should never retire

Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:50 am to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:50 am to
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Ben knows that once SS becomes insolvent within the decade and the US economy totally collapses we will be unable to continue buying off Israel’s enemies and funding their defense.


Totally.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:50 am to
Just like liberal grifter Ben
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
3973 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:51 am to
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I mean, for the majority of people, he's correct. Most people's health declines after their retirement because they're not nearly as active mentally or physically.

It's not practical for every senior to work, but at an individual level it's good advice and advice I often repeat to my patients. If you really want/have to retire, pick up physical hobbies.


I think it depends entirely upon how intentional the retirement is. If you just sit on the couch watching daytime t.v., sure, your health is going to decline. If you have hobbies and service projects that you commit to, it can be the best time of your life.

Plus, not many people do highly physical jobs in the US anymore. When the big change for retirement is sitting all day at home rather than sitting all day at the office, there's not much physical difference.
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
459 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:51 am to
Why do we insist on nitpicking every other person's personal opinions as if it reflects on us as a mandate to adhere to?

Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
37838 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:55 am to
Shapiro is smart enough to know we are committing suicide with our Ukraine support and it will bring us to collapse all the sooner, so the Israel aid in the same bill won’t pay out in the future.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21621 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:56 am to
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Plus, not many people do highly physical jobs in the US anymore. When the big change for retirement is sitting all day at home rather than sitting all day at the office, there's not much physical difference.


Not going to argue that office jobs are physically exerting, but working in therapy and having to help patients get dressed or get into vehicles to enter/leave the facility, even the fact that an office job requires you to get yourself dressed and drive to work can extend health and independence quite a bit.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21621 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:57 am to
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Shapiro is smart enough to know we are committing suicide with our Ukraine support and it will bring us to collapse all the sooner, so the Israel aid in the same bill won’t pay out in the future.


My wife thinks she can read minds too.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15109 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:00 am to
When you work for a company that's paid you well for 30 years, they want you gone as soon as you qualify for retirement benefits. Why work after that. I took SS at 62.
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
5008 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:01 am to
Ben’s never sat at the bar at Coastal in OB
He’s a silly lil elf sometimes
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:01 am to
Daily wire subscriptions must be down. Needs to generate some clicks
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260892 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:02 am to
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Daily wire subscriptions must be down. Needs to generate some clicks


Or, the OP just didnt read past click bait headlines and screwed the pooch.
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
11938 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:03 am to
His take is not terrible. Most people do not have sufficient hobbies or interests to make their life fulfilling without work. It is true that blue collar people just cannot work into their 70s though.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22321 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:05 am to
I fully agree with Shapiro.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3149 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:12 am to
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Ben Shapiro: "No one in the United States should be retiring at 65 years old. Frankly, I think retirement itself is a stupid idea unless you have some sort of health problem."


Screw this guy.

The whole idea of retirement is that one finally gains enough financial independence for HIMSELF to do whatever the f*ck he wants to do.

If that includes working(because one enjoys it) then so be it.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
3973 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:19 am to
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even the fact that an office job requires you to get yourself dressed and drive to work can extend health and independence quite a bit.


If we're talking about people who stop getting dressed and driving anywhere in retirement, yeah, that's a problem.

But again, goes back to how intentional the retirement is.

I retired at 53. The first thing I did was created a schedule that I stuck to.

For example, I don't need a gym; I have exercise equipment at home, but I started going to a gym every day so that no matter what else happened that day, I would go at least one place. And it is a municipal facility, free for any city residents, so it didn't even cost me anything.

I volunteered more to lead groups at church so that I always had something I needed to prepare for.

I stopped paying for yard service and started taking care of my own lawn, and I took over 100% of the household chores (my wife was still working). Saved money on that project.

I already had one serious hobby, but I began another so that I would always have something challenging to work on. That did cost some money. :). But it was offset by the money saved on the lawn.

These were all deliberate strategies.

Honestly I think the problem is two-fold. I think not being deliberate in retirement is definitely a problem, but I think it's compounded by people allowing their functionality to decline so far by the time they are able to retire that it feeds the behavior.

If you are already so physically limited that going to the gym or taking a daily mile walk is out of the question by the time you retire, it's unlikely that you will use the opportunity of retirement to reverse that trend. You're probably already struggling with just going to work and the grocery store, etc. by the time you do retire, so you lean into that and it gets worse.

Back to the original thread topic, I think Ben Shapiro is right about almost everything he says (and I think the idiots here are hilarious in their mouth breathing populist reactions to him). But this is one thing I not only think he's wrong about, but I think upon reflection (if the occasion to reflect on this arises), he'll reverse himself on, or at least clarify.

He's too big on family and community to really mean that no one should retire, and I think if pressed, he would realize that. Matriarchs and patriarchs with decades of wisdom given more opportunity to pass that wisdom down to younger generations by being able to spend more time with them is something I think he'd be absolutely for if he thought about it more. (Remember, they guy's barely 40, for crying out loud.)

What I think he meant by that passing comment is that he thinks it's silly that we think everyone should be entitled to retire at taxpayer expense.

I won't have any taxpayers helping me fund my retirement for over a decade still. I did it on my own.

I think he'd be happy with my retirement, frankly.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21300 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:20 am to
Why? I work with many of them at my job. They are either obese, have other health problems or so called mental illnesses.

They live sedentary lifestyles, vape all the time and have been growing up consuming terrible junk food which the older generations didn't have access to until later in life.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:23 am to
It was a stupid arse take.

However, there are some jobs (like mine) that a person can work as long as they want.

I don’t plan to ever fully retire. Why would I? I enjoy what I do, it isn’t physical, I help people, it’s mentally challenging, and I make damn good money.

Someday I will slow down to 20 or so hours a week but that’s a couple days in the office. It’ll keep my mind sharp and give me some structure. In”retired” in my 40s and was so damn bored I couldn’t stand it.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20028 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:41 am to
quote:

Most people's health declines after their retirement because they're not nearly as active mentally or physically.


You sure it’s not because they are old?

quote:

It's not practical for every senior to work, but at an individual level it's good advice and advice I often repeat to my patients. If you really want/have to retire, pick up physical hobbies.


I don’t disagree with you, or Ben necessarily. The idea of working diligently for 40-50 years, so that you can live in a fixed income not working for another 20 is silly to be considered normal. Building wealth and living off of it once it meets your needs is not a silly aspiration.

Having said all that, working for retirement is a mindset for some, for better or worse. Some jobs it’s almost necessary.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260892 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:43 am to
I bitch about these aging rock starts still pretending to tour, but folks like that probably will die if they fade away.

If I dont work or have a hobby in "retirement' I'll travel. I understand why apathy is a killer.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21621 posts
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:45 am to
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If we're talking about people who stop getting dressed and driving anywhere in retirement, yeah, that's a problem.


Doing those tasks daily. Going to the bank/store once a week and staying in your pjs because you're not leaving the house that day is very different from getting up/dressed daily and getting in and out of your vehicle daily.
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