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re: Bakhmut has Fallen - Wagner Announces Capture of Bakhmut

Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by TigerAxeOK
In the woods and by the waters.
Member since Dec 2016
38806 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:25 pm to
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Hard to believe either side in this war

I'd be fine if they selectively nuked each other along with Beijing, D.C. and every other meddling capitol in the world.

The rest of us would rebuild a world that would actually make sense and work better.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:27 pm to
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I'm more concerned about sovereignty and security of citizens here at home being persecuted by political criminals because that's actually our business but people like you just yawn

If you don't care about others, don't expect them to care about yours.

I could find precious few people to speak out against the Patriot Act when it was being passed - and no one against our mobilization against Iraq and Afghanistan when the drums of war were beating.

Can't find many of those supporters today, though.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98206 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:35 pm to
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The Russian army hasn't even been involved in Bakhmut.


Yup. Wish more baws were a bit more educated on this war.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:37 pm to
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Ukraine sovereignty more important than our own

Why do you think that?
quote:

Why do we protect Ukraine borders while we're being invaded?

Because we're not being invaded.

This is what being invaded looks like:






Not like this:



That you people want to make it into some sort of equivalence is morally corrupt.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42951 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:47 pm to
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Why is Ukraine sovereignty more important than our own? Why do we protect Ukraine borders while we're being invaded? We care about Ukraine citizens, but when our own citizens are in danger from enemy forces pouring into our country it's nothing but yawns..


What makes you think people don’t care about both? What makes you think those that want to see Ukraine protected and Russia stopped don’t care about the US?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42563 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:51 pm to
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That you people want to make it into some sort of equivalence is morally corrupt.

The only thing morally corrupt is being $31 trillion in debt and thinking you can send billions to another country on the other side of the world to fight their war. And yet the chickenhawks in this thread would further loot the treasury because they and the rest of the Reddit brigade are obsessed with this Ukraine-larp.
Posted by RazorbackLaw501
Member since May 2012
968 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:51 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 9:28 pm
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:52 pm to
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That you people want to make it into some sort of equivalence is morally corrupt.



That you don't is purposely obtuse.
Posted by Iron Lion
Romulus
Member since Nov 2014
14150 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 5:55 pm to
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What makes you think people don’t care about both? What makes you think those that want to see Ukraine protected and Russia stopped don’t care about the US?

Look at our fricking border!
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 6:10 pm to
remember guys. when clown comedian Zelensky came to the states to beg for MUH Abrams. he highlighted Bakhmut being the reason they needed modern tanks and armored victors like Bradleys.

for an offensive to keep Bakhmut and route the Russians from Crimea, they needed US tanks and armored fighting vehicles. very embarrassing.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
21944 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 6:24 pm to
One invasion has zero to little effect on our country. It’s basically none of our business. The other one impacts us directly and our country’s way of life. I’ll let you decide which one is which. So in one respect you are correct, as far as US interests they have no equivalent.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
17022 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 6:56 pm to
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If you don't care about others, don't expect them to care about yours.
that's why other countries are always sending us money to fix our problems like we do for them. Right.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 6:57 pm to
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Durr we didn’t mean to take forever to capture one town a million miles from Kiev, it was strategy! Durrr!



Typical moron.

You don't win a war by taking the other guy's capital.

You win by destroying his military.
Posted by 94LSU
Member since May 2023
1121 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:33 pm to
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And a formerly sovereign nation loses its sovereignty.


Ukraine lost their sovereignty when the US orchestrated a coup and installed a corrupt TV comedian in his place.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32617 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:37 pm to
Now what? What can we, the U.S.A., the country with the most technologically developed military might in the world, do to reverse what appears to be inevitable cataclysm for Ukraine?
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
72292 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:41 pm to
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Ukraine lost their sovereignty when the US orchestrated a coup and installed a corrupt TV comedian in his place.



A little bit louder now

A little bit louder now

....
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32623 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:57 pm to
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Flirting with NATO, shutting off the water to Crimea were provocative, admittedly.


This is all I ask for the left/neocons (not directed at you) to admit. Appreciated.

People act like the Crimea thing happened in a bubble and didn’t understand that cutting off access to Crimea’s warm water port via a western lead (we put at least millions into) rebellion was a huge attack from the west.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:59 pm to
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You don't win a war by taking the other guy's capital.

You win by destroying his military.


If this isn't a Patton (or Napoleon, or Alexander the Great) quote it should be
Posted by H newman
Member since Oct 2021
2174 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:04 pm to
The Russians won't give Ukraine up. Kinda like giving up Mexico so Russia could install nukes there.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32617 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:04 pm to
Paraphrase of a Patton quote
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