re: Bakhmut has Fallen - Wagner Announces Capture of Bakhmut

If China or Russia did in Mexico 1/10th of what we have done in Ukraine, we would have blown them off the map.

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If China or Russia did in Mexico 1/10th of what we have done in Ukraine, we would have blown them off the map.

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Like The Holodomor? You and the other “anti nazis” on here love to bring that up when denying or downplaying the holocaust. Did we do that? Didn’t think so. Remind me again who killed tens of millions of Ukrainians around world war 2. I’m sure we’ve done way worse than that though.

See Victoria Nuland running a coup in 2014 and much of our political class turning it into a client state.


Perhaps Ukraine should have followed Minsk II. Merkel and Hollande have admitted it was a delay tactic to build up Ukraine.

Here are some former military and diplomats pleading for sanity.

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The Potential for Peace

Russia’s current geopolitical anxiety is informed by memories of invasion from Charles XII, Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler. U.S. troops were among an Allied invasion force that intervened unsuccessfully against the winning side in Russia’s post-World War I civil war. Russia sees NATO enlargement and presence on its borders as a direct threat; the U.S. and NATO see only prudent preparedness. In diplomacy, one must attempt to see with strategic empathy, seeking to understand one’s adversaries. This is not weakness: it is wisdom.

We reject the idea that diplomats, seeking peace, must choose sides, in this case either Russia or Ukraine. In favoring diplomacy we choose the side of sanity. Of humanity. Of peace.

We consider President Biden’s promise to back Ukraine “as long as it takes” to be a license to pursue ill-defined and ultimately unachievable goals. It could prove as catastrophic as President Putin’s decision last year to launch his criminal invasion and occupation. We cannot and will not endorse the strategy of fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

We advocate for a meaningful and genuine commitment to diplomacy, specifically an immediate ceasefire and negotiations without any disqualifying or prohibitive preconditions. Deliberate provocations delivered the Russia-Ukraine War. In the same manner, deliberate diplomacy can end it.

U.S. Actions and Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine

As the Soviet Union collapsed and the Cold War ended, U.S. and Western European leaders assured Soviet and then Russian leaders that NATO would not expand toward Russia’s borders. “There would be no extension of…NATO one inch to the east,” U.S. Secretary of State James Baker told Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990. Similar assurances from other U.S. leaders as well as from British, German and French leaders throughout the 1990s confirm this.

Since 2007, Russia has repeatedly warned that NATO’s armed forces on Russian borders were intolerable – just as Russian forces in Mexico or Canada would be intolerable to the U.S. now, or as Soviet missiles in Cuba were in 1962. Russia further singled out NATO expansion into Ukraine as especially provocative.

Seeing the War Through Russia’s Eyes

Our attempt at understanding the Russian perspective on their war does not endorse the invasion and occupation, nor does it imply the Russians had no other option but this war.

Yet, just as Russia had other options, so too did the U.S. and NATO leading up to this moment.

The Russians made their red lines clear. In Georgia and Syria, they proved they would use force to defend those lines. In 2014, their immediate seizure of Crimea and their support of Donbas separatists demonstrated they were serious in their commitment to defending their interests. Why this was not understood by U.S. and NATO leadership is unclear; incompetence, arrogance, cynicism, or a treacherous mixture of all three are likely contributing factors.

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Nah, I hated Bush/Cheney/Feith/Perle, etc. Nuland/Kagan/Kagan/McFaul/Frum/Kristol is the same psychopathic gang.

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Putin has zero impact on my life.

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It's a global energy market.

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Biden is a complete fricking disaster who negatively impacts the lives of American's every single day. It's pretty simple

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Meh, still not as bad as Bush.

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unprovoked

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Putin is a dictator. Russia is in the wrong. I hope Ukraine is victorious.


You have to be a literal retard to use the term unprovoked.

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Meh, still not as bad as Bush.

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It’s only been just over two years, Bush had 8. Give Biden the time and he will surpass Jimmy Carter.

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Bunk Moreland

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Lol, nothing to say about Holodomor. That’s what I thought, you chicken shite Iran bitch boy. We could run 100 “coups” and it wouldn’t touch what Russia has done historically to Ukraine and other countries in the region.

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This should make all the comrade cultists are in extacy.