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re: Bad news for the “you do you” IVF crowd. Gay surrogate father is a tier 1 sex offender.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He very rarely takes personal positions on the ledge of crazy social conservatism.
He'll take any position he wants if he cares about it.
Again, tariffs.
If he's going along with the crowd on abortion, all that means is that he doesn't care one way or the other.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:42 pm to wackatimesthree
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Didn't you say just yesterday that the idea that you will not admit you were wrong is a myth?
What a fricking liar.
You posted about 100 times before the 2024 election that overturning Roe was going to tank the election.
Wrong.
That was about the 2022 midterms.
Unless you mean "before" as in, in 2022, but that would be a level of dishonesty I don't think you're capable of committing.
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Is it IVF?
You're right. That's how IVF is being discussed by OP and you.
That's a much better way to state it.
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You're like an idiot who claims that a team running the ball on first down (all game) is proven to be a losing strategy because that team got outscored in the 3rd quarter of a game, but won the game.
That has nothing to do with the GOP underperforming in 2022.
Your example is negating MOV, which isn't as important in sports but IS extremely important in a democracy.
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I'm reminding you what YOU said.
No. No you're not. You're either wrong or just conflating things I said.
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I'm sure you predicted we'd lose the 2022 midterms because of abortion
Lose? No. But the reversal of RVW did have a negative impact. The Red Tsunami became a red splash, ultimately.
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Because I think that policy reflects his personal leftist feelings about the matter.
I think his personal opinion is much more leftist. He chooses the moderate position because he's a populist and that's the most popular position.
Just like why he promotes IVF...for the exact reasons I stated ITT.
The social conservative TDS is fun, though.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:44 pm to wackatimesthree
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He'll take any position he wants if he cares about it.
Again, tariffs.
Tariffs are central to his populist economic messaging, specifically in the Rust Belt and union areas who have moved to Trump.
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If he's going along with the crowd on abortion, all that means is that he doesn't care one way or the other.
This does not reflect his stance or the general country's stance. Double strawman.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:45 pm to tide06
How do we really know the statistics and %’s are legit?
What if it’s a biological male that one day may addicted itself as a furry, or maybe feel like his body has been wrongfully issued a penis and chooses to whack it off.
These are all scenarios to contemplate if you’re swimming in those sicko circles.
The fact that gays can even adopt a baby or kid should be illegal, the kid will never have a chance to be normal. Next level of indoctrination and never taught or introduced to how the real world world and real man/woman relationships are supposed to be.
What if it’s a biological male that one day may addicted itself as a furry, or maybe feel like his body has been wrongfully issued a penis and chooses to whack it off.
These are all scenarios to contemplate if you’re swimming in those sicko circles.
The fact that gays can even adopt a baby or kid should be illegal, the kid will never have a chance to be normal. Next level of indoctrination and never taught or introduced to how the real world world and real man/woman relationships are supposed to be.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Wrong.
That was about the 2022 midterms.
Unless you mean "before" as in, in 2022
Right.
Between 2022 and 2024. I'm honestly not even sure I posted here enough to know how you were before 2022. Truth. That's going on 4 years ago at this point.
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but that would be a level of dishonesty I don't think you're capable of committing.
I guess you would know about that level, since you're completely lying about not having said one thing about overturning Roe between 2022 and 2024.
Again, dude, you say the same thing every. single. fricking. time. the issue comes up.
And just to be clear, I'm not claiming you say something like, "I predict that adherence to this issue will result in 12% voter suppression in the white female demographic and prevent Republicans from gaining 3% of the black female demographic for an overall shift that will translate to roughly 616,925 votes across the country, concentrated mainly in the swing states of Georgia and Pennsylvania, thereby costing Trump 35 electoral votes and being the difference in the upcoming election."
Instead you say stuff just like you did on this thread. "This sort of extremism from the religious right faction of the party is why Republicans can't count on winning anything." And if you want to claim now that that doesn't translate to basically, "We'd win much more often if we just went along with the crowd on abortion," I'm not going to go back and search your post history or anything, but I do absolutely remember that that is how pretty much everyone interpreted those comments, and I also don't ever remember you correcting that interpretation.
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You're right. That's how IVF is being discussed by OP and you.
I don't even understand this response and I think you either intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreted what I wrote. I'll state it differently:
You have—despite being asked to do so (now) five times—failed to articulate why opposing abortion on the basis of being pro-life is reasonable but opposing IVF on the basis of being pro life is unreasonable. Until you make a successful argument to that effect, all I can see is a baseless appeal to ridicule and I don't concede at all that opposing IVF is crazy.
You have appealed to popularity to argue that it is crazy, but as I pointed out, if lack of popularity makes a viewpoint crazy, then reforming SS is crazy.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This does not reflect his stance
What's his stance then?
With a link. Not your personal reading of his tea leaves.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Tariffs are central to his populist economic messaging, specifically in the Rust Belt and union areas who have moved to Trump.
Except that he's been talking about tariffs since the 80s.
Clearly a pet issue for him, not a campaign issue adopted for votes.
Trump on Oprah in 1988
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:06 pm to wackatimesthree
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How are they different with respect to unborn humans ending up dead?
You could say of a Ritz Carlton and a mobile home, “How are they different when it comes to humans sleeping in beds?” We can use that formula on any two things that have at least one similarity but are mostly different.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:42 pm to tide06
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I’ve always found it odd that gay men statistically seem to adopt boys rather than girls.
According to a UK longitudinal study gay males adopted boys at an 82% rate.
A US study showed that gay male couples had by far the strongest gender preference of any combination (hetero, FF, MM).
It’s a major statistical anomaly.
It's not odd at all.
Why do some people actually believe the lie that homosexuality has more in common with heterosexuality, thereby getting the benefit of the doubt in these situations, over transgenderism and weird sexualities and sexual fetishist? It's an honest question.
Bucking the trend on traditional or more ordered actions is all the same kind of thing.
Do you just believe that "1 person just wants to find another person and live life," as a genderless concept?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:38 pm to Ozarkshillbilly
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What has gay marriage forced you to do?
Well on the most basic level I am subsidizing in a number of ways through my tax dollars whether that be the gay couple receiving tax credits or in other cases subsidies for various reasons that a straight couple might receive those benefits. So is that.
There is also the fact that it is simply based on a lie. Marriage by definition is a man and woman coming together to be one. Two opposites creating a whole new union with the potential to create new life. Whatever you call gay marriage, is is not that, and if anything should be called something different. That lie gets promoted to the greater public and in schools to our children or are force fed this lie. So it affects mine and my children’s lives.
It also affects the culture, just look at the statistics of the growing number of LGBT kids and young adults that has shot up exponentially since Obergafal. That is not some coincidence, so this is now the culture and society that I have to raise my family in.
We are not just individuals floating out in space. We are social and political creatures that live in communities. Think total individual crap (how does it affect you) is a very new concept. The concepts I am speaking of go back to Aristotle
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:48 pm to Freauxzen
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Why do some people actually believe the lie that homosexuality has more in common with heterosexuality, thereby getting the benefit of the doubt in these situations, over transgenderism and weird sexualities and sexual fetishist? It's an honest question.
They won’t give you a good reason. The best you will get is what SFP was alluding to with the polls he provided. It’s viewed as more socially acceptable and that’s pretty much all it boils down to.
We are “crazy” and fringe and shouldn’t even bother discussing issues and ethics if an issue has crossed the 60/40 line on the Overton window. Even though we can point to many cases in history around the world where issues that we would all agree to are wrong were at the time and in that place considered socially acceptable and beyond their own 60/40 threshold at that time.
If a couple trans furry dog fetish types adopted a baby and dressed the baby in the leather furry fetish gear, most people would find that disordered and morally wrong. But why is a trans furry fetish type any more disordered than homosexuality?
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:08 pm to burger bearcat
IVF has nothing to do with this frick face.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:16 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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IVF has nothing to do with this frick face.
What was the method used to conceive this boy?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:32 pm to burger bearcat
amen
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:35 pm to burger bearcat
Disgusting
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:44 pm to Naked Bootleg
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And why do they always hold the baby with their hand on its crotch?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:59 pm to burger bearcat
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a “devastating loophole”
Knowing what they know, they just shrug & say there’s nothing they can do??
Posted on 9/25/25 at 11:47 am to burger bearcat
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Well on the most basic level I am subsidizing in a number of ways through my tax dollars whether that be the gay couple receiving tax credits or in other cases subsidies for various reasons that a straight couple might receive those benefits. So is that.
So you pay taxes like the rest of us and the government blows the money on dumb stuff...that's new (sarcasm font implied).
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There is also the fact that it is simply based on a lie. Marriage by definition is a man and woman coming together to be one. Two opposites creating a whole new union with the potential to create new life. Whatever you call gay marriage, is is not that, and if anything should be called something different. That lie gets promoted to the greater public and in schools to our children or are force fed this lie. So it affects mine and my children’s lives
So you're not forced to do anything other than listen to a lie?
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It also affects the culture, just look at the statistics of the growing number of LGBT kids and young adults that has shot up exponentially since Obergafal. That is not some coincidence, so this is now the culture and society that I have to raise my family in
Raise your kids how you see fit...still not forced to do anything.
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We are not just individuals floating out in space. We are social and political creatures that live in communities. Think total individual crap (how does it affect you) is a very new concept. The concepts I am speaking of go back to Aristotle
Aristotle also justified slavery, was incorrect about heavier objects falling faster than lighter ones and many other things. In other words, he was proven wrong on many things. Bad ideas are bad ideas no matter how old they are.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 4:19 pm to Ozarkshillbilly
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So you pay taxes like the rest of us and the government blows the money on dumb stuff...that's new (sarcasm font implied).
Yes and since I pay taxes I have an interest how taxes are being used
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So you're not forced to do anything other than listen to a lie?
It’s not just listening to the lie which is bad enough. The fact that the lie is now forced from places of authority, that’s different than just someone’s opinion. There is then entire framework and network built around that lie thru education, business, medicine, and even in some cases religious.
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Raise your kids how you see fit...still not forced to do anything.
How’d that work out for Thomas Robinsons’s parents? Who were by all accounts normal Republican type people. We are all living in a society, and we should have interest in the greater community and culture beyond just our own individual. Eventually your individual self won’t be enough for the greater society when the ideology you oppose meets a 80/20 or 90/10 popularity
This 80s/90s/00s era of libertarianism and individualism is dying out. On both the left and the right. People just aren’t buying it anymore and for good reason. It still exists in certain pockets of the right mostly as a tactic/ploy used by the left to weaken the right. They don’t subscribe to these principles when they have power
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Aristotle also justified slavery, was incorrect about heavier objects falling faster than lighter ones and many other things. In other words, he was proven wrong on many things. Bad ideas are bad ideas no matter how old they are.
He’s also the father of western philosophy, so there that. Certain concepts can evolve thru time, but many foundational concepts of how societies should be structured and what liberty is stem from him
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