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re: ATF raids home; Kills Clinton National Airport executive director
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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It was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant, so unlikely. Possible, but unlikely.
Tell me counselor, why would a search warrant need to be served at 6AM? Was the house to be moved by 8AM?
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Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:45 am to Beessnax
No, he was doing the deeds for the Deep State Black Money and they wanted to get rid of him because he became a liability.
You people that can’t see thru this and similar situations that randomly happen concerning upper level scenarios like this are naive at best.
He crossed the deep state or knew to much. Look at the guy, does he look like he’s gonna open his doors with a machine gun, come on, wisen up.
You people that can’t see thru this and similar situations that randomly happen concerning upper level scenarios like this are naive at best.
He crossed the deep state or knew to much. Look at the guy, does he look like he’s gonna open his doors with a machine gun, come on, wisen up.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:46 am to troyt37
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Tell me counselor, why would a search warrant need to be served at 6AM?
You may want to review my posts on page 1 of this thread, but, there are a few reasons.
1. To ensure that someone is home. With sleep and work taking up 2/3 (or more) of our day, plus ancillary movement relating around work, there are a few windows that all but guarantee a person will be home. Early morning and late hours. Now, the fricked up ones are when they come at like 2-3am. 6am isn't THAT bad.
2. Traditionally, they demand an element of surprise. Often this is because paperwork or drugs can be disposed of somewhat quickly. However, again, review my previous comments ITT for my personal opinions.
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Was the house to be moved by 8AM?
Increased chance that he would not be there. Possibly a 100% chance (based on when he leaves for work. 8am is a little late for most professionals)
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:46 am to Westbank111
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No, he was doing the deeds for the Deep State Black Money and they wanted to get rid of him because he became a liability.
You people that can’t see thru this and similar situations that randomly happen concerning upper level scenarios like this are naive at best.
He crossed the deep state or knew to much. Look at the guy, does he look like he’s gonna open his doors with a machine gun, come on, wisen up.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:49 am to CFB_Fanatic
If someone kicks in my door at O dark thirty they will be met by 5 rounds of 00 buckshot. In this day you can't be certain that a guy with a gun and a badge is real.
Before long illegals will start using this as a tactic. Book it!
Before long illegals will start using this as a tactic. Book it!
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:51 am to troyt37
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Tell me counselor, why would a search warrant need to be served at 6AM? Was the house to be moved by 8AM?
Maybe the officers had a 1 pm tee time and wanted to make sure they were out by then?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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To ensure that someone is home.
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Often this is because paperwork or drugs can be disposed of somewhat quickly.
It's really tough to dispose of anything if you're not home. I'm no detective, but if I wanted to secure evidence with no chance of frickery I'd wait until the occupant wasn't home. If I wanted a confrontation with the occupant I'd do the 0600 time slot.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
They could have then "picked him up at work" or met him outside his house when he came home from work or was leaving for work.
These early morning raids on nonviolent citizens is excessive force. It is tyrannical and should be illegal.
The blood is on the ATFs hands, but I don't think they care.
May God help us.
These early morning raids on nonviolent citizens is excessive force. It is tyrannical and should be illegal.
The blood is on the ATFs hands, but I don't think they care.
May God help us.
This post was edited on 3/22/24 at 8:55 am
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:54 am to Flats
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It's really tough to dispose of anything if you're not home.
Yeah but you lose the element of surprise and there may be other evidence elsewhere that is disposed of.
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but if I wanted to secure evidence with no chance of frickery I'd wait until the occupant wasn't home. I
They typically want to secure the defendant for a few reasons.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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1. To ensure that someone is home. With sleep and work taking up 2/3 (or more) of our day, plus ancillary movement relating around work, there are a few windows that all but guarantee a person will be home. Early morning and late hours. Now, the fricked up ones are when they come at like 2-3am. 6am isn't THAT bad.
I thought they were executing a search warrant on the home? What is the need of having the person there?
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2. Traditionally, they demand an element of surprise. Often this is because paperwork or drugs can be disposed of somewhat quickly. However, again, review my previous comments ITT for my personal opinions.
If they aren't home, nothing can be disposed of, correct?
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Increased chance that he would not be there. Possibly a 100% chance (based on when he leaves for work. 8am is a little late for most professionals)
But the house and its contents that they have a warrant to search would still be right there, no?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:54 am to GhostOfFreedom
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This early morning raids on nonviolent citizens is excessive force. It is tyrannical and should be illegal.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:55 am to troyt37
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What is the need of having the person there?
To secure the defendant
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If they aren't home, nothing can be disposed of, correct?
Not all evidence might be located in one location.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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This wasn't an arrest warrant.
They were serving a search warrant on the house.
So. . . They came heavily armed at 0600 just in case the house suddenly became agitated and violent?
Your earlier remark about serving the warrant a bit later in the morning made much better sense.
This smacks of a government planned assassination under the guise of attempting to peacefully serve a search warrant.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:57 am to Swamp Angel
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They came heavily armed at 0600 just in case the house suddenly became agitated and violent?
I mean...that's literally what happened?
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This smacks of a government planned assassination under the guise of attempting to peacefully serve a search warrant.
No it doesn't.
This guy wanted to suicide by cop b/c he was busted and he knew it. He should have just eaten a bullet himself.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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What is the need of having the person there?
To secure the defendant
Didn't you just say it was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant?
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If they aren't home, nothing can be disposed of, correct?
Not all evidence might be located in one location.
Who did they shoot at the other location?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah but you lose the element of surprise
How? Guy goes to work, his house gets searched while he's gone. He can't flush his coke down the toilet because he's not there.
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They typically want to secure the defendant for a few reasons.
They can do that anywhere. It's a lot safer to do in public as he leaves Starbucks.
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:00 am to troyt37
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Didn't you just say it was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant?
Yes, and?
If they find incriminating evidence, then things are likely to change.
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Who did they shoot at the other location?
White flag
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:03 am to Flats
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How? Guy goes to work, his house gets searched while he's gone. He can't flush his coke down the toilet because he's not there.
Not all evidence might be located at that one location.
If I'm doing dirt and cops raid my home, I will know it as soon as it happens. That gives me the option to destroy evidence at another location or GTFO.
That's why LEO tries to secure the defendant when they do these searches. They may find new evidence to get other search warrants to execute in real time. They may have PC after the search for an arrest. The situation is malleable.
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They can do that anywhere.
You can't serve a search warrant on him at work and search the house contemporaneously. You then have to go to the property they are authorized to search (without an arrest warrant to detain the defendant).
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:05 am to CFB_Fanatic
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Little Rock national airport executive director Bryan Malinowski exchanged gunfire w
If he's just a good, clean executive, why is he shooting agents?
Posted on 3/22/24 at 9:06 am to TBoy
He's a dindu
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