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re: As an airline pilot, my opinion on the airline crash.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:25 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:25 pm to cajunangelle
It amazes me that ANY aircraft could be allowed by ATC to cross the flight path of a landing at the required altitude to land.
It was determined that the helo was in conflict to the right of way of the plane to land. Instead of trying to confirm visuals, or directing the helo to “ go behind the plane”, why not instruct the helo to stop forward motion, and do that helo thing of playing hummingbird to await further instructions.
I suspect controller incompetence.
It was determined that the helo was in conflict to the right of way of the plane to land. Instead of trying to confirm visuals, or directing the helo to “ go behind the plane”, why not instruct the helo to stop forward motion, and do that helo thing of playing hummingbird to await further instructions.
I suspect controller incompetence.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 2:32 pm
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:25 pm to bbvdd
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But if this thing doesn't anger you because it was absolutely preventable
There’s never been an aircraft incident in history that wasn’t “preventable”
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:26 pm to sc2anni
quote:DEI is definitely a thing in FAA hiring for controllers.
Is it the same with the ATC's? That is pretty reckless to have many soul's lives in the hands of someone with no or limited experience.
It’s well documented.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:28 pm to BozemanTiger
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Since you're not prone to ever making mistakes, please let us know what will satiate your anger.
I've never made a mistake that killed someone, let alone 67...
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:30 pm to Good Times
quote:Helos can’t just “come to a stop and hover” very quickly.
why not instruct the helo to stop forward motion, and do that helo thing of playing hummingbird to await further instructions.
That helo was probably doing 80-100 knots, it takes a little while to slow to a hover. A simple turn to the east would have prevented this crash.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:32 pm to Good Times
Very well said. The ATCs seemed to lack in advising?
Good to see you. I moved. Give me an update of how everyone is @ cajunangelletd@gmail.com. I never check it, so let me know when I should.
Good to see you. I moved. Give me an update of how everyone is @ cajunangelletd@gmail.com. I never check it, so let me know when I should.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:33 pm to bhtigerfan
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They’re usually very good at giving you position of traffic relative to you (usually expressed as a clock bearing) direction of flight, distance, altitude and intentions of opposing traffic.
Based on the full audio, it sounds like they did in this instance as well - going as far to include the CRJ’s position in reference to a specific bridge.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:34 pm to bhtigerfan
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BUT, that helicopter should have never been put into that position by ...
...the commanding officer.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:34 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:What are your thoughts on this?
Tuscaloosa
Helo pilots screwup or ATC?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:34 pm to bhtigerfan
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Of course you can maneuver anytime to avoid a collision,
A fully configured jet at final approach speed with engines spooled down isn’t going to be able to execute a timely evasive maneuver.
I agree that they very likely never even saw the helo, but it might not have mattered if they did.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:36 pm to bhtigerfan
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why not instruct the helo to stop forward motion, and do that helo thing of playing hummingbird to await further instructions.
Helos can’t just “come to a stop and hover” very quickly.
That helo was probably doing 80-100 knots, it takes a little while to slow to a hover. A simple turn to the east would have prevented this crash.
Thank you for that clarification. I agree with all of you comments in this thread, as you appear very knowledgeable. My point was to initiate immediate action by the helo, including making the turns and hovering evasion actions. But under no circumstances should the helo be instructed to “look for the plane, nor instructed to pass behind it.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:38 pm to bhtigerfan
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Helo pilots screwup or ATC?
I’m not familiar enough with DCA military helo/procedures to confidently state anything other than the helo pilots are absolutely at fault here.
I am very curious to see what the investigation determines, re: ATC.
I thought the initial traffic reference was more than sufficient, but outside of that - I have no idea what ATC should have been doing.
I think the ATC radar track is un-good.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:38 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:40 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I think the ATC radar track is un-good.
Is this your scientific analysis?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:41 pm to bhtigerfan
According to another thread, the pilot of the helo was a female with 500 hours experience which to me doesn't sound like a lot.
I wouldn't doubt it was both pilot and DEI FTC inexperience that caused this tragedy.
I wouldn't doubt it was both pilot and DEI FTC inexperience that caused this tragedy.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:42 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:44 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Is it normal for ATC to speak so quickly but the pilots are slower and more clear?
How can you understand this?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:46 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:Damn, I’m not familiar with ATC radar but I assume those red CA’s are collision alerts?
I think the ATC radar track is un-good.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:47 pm to cajunangelle
From the private flights i've been on and able to listen in on the tower side, its hit or miss, but yea there are some that are very difficult to understand.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:47 pm to bhtigerfan
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From what I have seen, it appears that ATC asked the helicopter if they had the CRJ on the approach to runway 33 in sight, and the helicopter confirmed that they did, and ATC told them to “pass behind the traffic.”
I believe the helicopter had a different aircraft in sight and obviously never saw the CRJ and flew right into it. It was just a horrible mistake and accident.
BUT, that helicopter should have never been put into that position by ATC. They should have been vectored more easterly away from the approach path of runway 33. This will probably be shown as terrible decision making by the air traffic controllers.
That sounds very reasonable.
Were you aware they were potentially doing some night vision (wearing the devices) training. Not confirmed but the devices were on board.
My only experience with them is ground operations but I wouldnt wear them if there was any ambient light. Its better than being completely blind but I dont think that technology is anywhere near where it needs to be especially for pilots navigating crowded air space. I just cant comprehend being a pilot and having to rely on what you see through those devices.
If we have any military helo people here I would to like hear your thoughts. I'm sure aviation devices are better than the dogshit we had.
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