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re: As a former poor person, most poor people are useless and do nothing for society
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:15 pm to davyjones
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:15 pm to davyjones
quote:I agree. I know many poor people that are both charitable and proud. They work for what little they do have, but find greater meaning in family and community. The kind of poor people that break their backs to provide and view government assistance as shameful. Being poor is not the quality that causes the behavior OP is describing.
adjective "lazy" together with poor people wouldn't be better?
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:19 pm to uppermidwestbama
In a real meritocracy, a giant sorting goes on. Over a long enough period of time, on average people will fall into to categories of income based upon work ethic, intelligence, and charisma. Those gifted or hard working enough will on average slightly improve their station, and then their children will then do the same (or reverse course).
Of course anomalies exist, but those are not the rule, and once created begin to conform to the trend of either dropping far or rising far.
Eventually, you encounter situations where the vast majority of the poor are unreliable, lazy, unintelligent, and have no drive or ability. It becomes impossible to find people who can reliably accomplish menial tasks while staying out of jail, off the pipe, or just able to show up on time. You begin to see employers who need people for $10 or $15 a hour jobs say they cannot find good people to work, while poor people say they cannot find jobs.
Enter immigrants.
The best source for reliable labor at the lower levels is people who have grown up in countries which are not long term meritocracies, and instead have not had the opportunity to advance in any way for generations. These are people who in a meritocracy would be your middle class, but instead are dirt poor. They have the drive and ambition to move to a country which provides them opportunity, and are willing to take the menial jobs in order to take a half step up the economic ladder.
TLDR: Poor people of all races in America are that way because 95% of them are worthless human beings, and a statistically larger portion of immigrants from shitholes are not worthless.
Of course anomalies exist, but those are not the rule, and once created begin to conform to the trend of either dropping far or rising far.
Eventually, you encounter situations where the vast majority of the poor are unreliable, lazy, unintelligent, and have no drive or ability. It becomes impossible to find people who can reliably accomplish menial tasks while staying out of jail, off the pipe, or just able to show up on time. You begin to see employers who need people for $10 or $15 a hour jobs say they cannot find good people to work, while poor people say they cannot find jobs.
Enter immigrants.
The best source for reliable labor at the lower levels is people who have grown up in countries which are not long term meritocracies, and instead have not had the opportunity to advance in any way for generations. These are people who in a meritocracy would be your middle class, but instead are dirt poor. They have the drive and ambition to move to a country which provides them opportunity, and are willing to take the menial jobs in order to take a half step up the economic ladder.
TLDR: Poor people of all races in America are that way because 95% of them are worthless human beings, and a statistically larger portion of immigrants from shitholes are not worthless.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:22 pm to uppermidwestbama
I understand the point you are making but in and of itself, there is nothing shameful if someone lacks a desire to accumulate material wealth. The problem arises when people feel that they are entitled to have other people subsidize their lifestyle choices.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:57 pm to uppermidwestbama
I agree. I was poor and unmotivated once.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:13 pm to uppermidwestbama
Cool. Rather than than thank God for the opportunities he gave you, you choose to refer to the downtrodden as “useless” and other derogatory terms. It is good to hear success stories every once in a while, but not at the expense of the vast majority of those that didn’t quite make it. You are throwing a pretty broad net when you type “most poor people are useless”. But, nonetheless, congrats.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:21 pm to coonasswhodat
Who picks up your trash? Mops the floor and cleans the toilet at your office or the businesses you visit? Poor people. Who waits tables, serves drinks, drives Uber, etc? Poor people. Don’t be an arrogant shite.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:45 pm to uppermidwestbama
Jesus said the poor will always be with you.
So sounds like there’s no getting rid of them.
So sounds like there’s no getting rid of them.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:58 pm to uppermidwestbama
That’s chump change to what I make as a plant operator. Sure I work 130 hours a week, but I got an F-250 that says I’m rich.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 12:01 am
Posted on 8/10/20 at 12:01 am to DiamondDog
There's also the one that goes a little something like:
Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God.
Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 12:01 am to uppermidwestbama
I’m with you 110%.
I hate being stuck in this crappy apartment around rude idiots who play loud music and rev engines all night.
If not for COVID I would be ascending to home ownership next month. After years of hard work and 2 degrees I had finally made it in my career. Guess I’m part of the underclass until further notice because the job market is impossible.
I hate being stuck in this crappy apartment around rude idiots who play loud music and rev engines all night.
If not for COVID I would be ascending to home ownership next month. After years of hard work and 2 degrees I had finally made it in my career. Guess I’m part of the underclass until further notice because the job market is impossible.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 12:06 am to davyjones
poor in spirit, not in one's purse
Posted on 8/10/20 at 12:09 am to wfallstiger
That's one version and interpretation.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 12:09 am to Dawgfanman
Why you replying this to me? Either you have me mixed up with the OP, of you are off your meds. Seek help, please.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 2:28 am to Dawgfanman
quote:Hey lets not shite on people who work these certain jobs. Society needs for there to be people working the bottom tier jobs. Who cares if people make lower tier incomes. As long as they are self sustaining members of society.
Who picks up your trash? Mops the floor and cleans the toilet at your office or the businesses you visit? Poor people. Who waits tables, serves drinks, drives Uber, etc? Poor people. Don’t be an arrogant shite.
shite on the people who dont have jobs because they are lazy shits and take all our tax money. I thought that’s what this thread was about.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 2:29 am
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:42 am to uppermidwestbama
New King James Version
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Just picking at you. I would point out to you that many people do indeed still read this. And believe it. And please accept my congrats on what you feel is bettering yourself. Please never forget what you went through, how hard it was, and the ones who couldn’t make it.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Just picking at you. I would point out to you that many people do indeed still read this. And believe it. And please accept my congrats on what you feel is bettering yourself. Please never forget what you went through, how hard it was, and the ones who couldn’t make it.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:33 am to ElRoos
quote:as opposed to hoarding it
They will just waste it away on booze, smokes, and other bs.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 5:49 am to uppermidwestbama
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:06 am to CDawson
quote:
quote:
if you know what zip code someone lived in in 1990 you'd do pretty well in predicting their economic class today.
So when people change economic classes they stay in the “poor” neighborhoods? Gimme a break.
That is a pretty remarkable reading of what I wrote. Re-read it again. I'm saying pretty much the precise opposite of what you've somehow concluded.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:16 am to uppermidwestbama
Most remain poor for a reason and the reason is not systemic, its personal. Like bad decision making and a general don't give a frick attitude.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:16 am to uppermidwestbama
While I can't dispute your personal experience or perspective on things, I think it is somewhat more complex than that.
Most "rich" people were "poor" at one point. Either a broke college student, or just starting out, or what have you. The most successful people are typically smart, but college dropouts who have lean years in building their business where they might be considered "poor".
This notion that class is "fixed" and there isn't a lot of mobility as if broke 20-year olds working at McDonald's don't move into better and better jobs and become middle-class success stories (which is actually quite common) is just rooted in ignorance.
The "permanently" poor usually fall into the category of folks who are dependent on poverty programs, particularly with the explosion of them over the past 50 years (and really almost 100 going back to the New Deal, but these really expanded geometrically under the War on Poverty(tm)).
Anti-poverty programs have locked entire generations of folks into a cycle that is as difficult to break out of as any sort of addiction.
Most "rich" people were "poor" at one point. Either a broke college student, or just starting out, or what have you. The most successful people are typically smart, but college dropouts who have lean years in building their business where they might be considered "poor".
This notion that class is "fixed" and there isn't a lot of mobility as if broke 20-year olds working at McDonald's don't move into better and better jobs and become middle-class success stories (which is actually quite common) is just rooted in ignorance.
The "permanently" poor usually fall into the category of folks who are dependent on poverty programs, particularly with the explosion of them over the past 50 years (and really almost 100 going back to the New Deal, but these really expanded geometrically under the War on Poverty(tm)).
Anti-poverty programs have locked entire generations of folks into a cycle that is as difficult to break out of as any sort of addiction.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 8:18 am
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