re: Are People Liberal; or Conservative By Nature?

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my sister and i had an identical upbringing from conservative christian parents.

i'm pretty libertarian, a former athlete, and i moved out at 19, paid for my school, been married for 20 years with two teenage boys.

my sister is a lesbian socialist that is 5 feet tall and weighs 250+ lbs that screams about white people, student loan debt, and the patriarchy on twitter all day. she has had 2 jobs making less than $30k in 20 years out of school (which left her with debt.)

same loins. same upbringing.

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Pretty similar story here. Only difference that I can sort of put my finger on is that as a boy, I was expected to make it happen so to speak. My parents would help me study and whatnot but there was an expectation that I would succeed. For whatever reason, my sister adopted a victim woe is me mentality and mom always had a soft spot for her and enabled her in a lot of ways.

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Pretty similar story here. Only difference that I can sort of put my finger on is that as a boy, I was expected to make it happen so to speak. My parents would help me study and whatnot but there was an expectation that I would succeed. For whatever reason, my sister adopted a victim woe is me mentality and mom always had a soft spot for her and enabled her in a lot of ways.

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after we were pretty much set in life, i moved off with my wife and son from my hometown. my dad and i had pretty good talk before i left where i asked why they didn't help me much and seemed to make everything easier for her.

his answer was "you could handle it and she couldn't. Do you think you would be in a different place if we had kicked you out and never talked to you again? you wouldn't. we knew she couldn't make it without the help."


i thought that was a bit of a self fulfilling prophesy, TBH

parents in the 80s were wild.

Not sure but I've always been conservative. Probably due to mu upbringing. My parents and grandparents were conservative.

Our society for the most part has become so damn lazy they can't even think for themselves.

Almost any young person from 20s on down can't hold a decent conversation, they've spent all their life gazing into a motherfricking cell phone or ipad or playing some game on TV.

I know I'm classified by you youngsters as a boomer and that's fine. But we were raised by the greatest generation of depression era folks who fought a war for survival of this nation and their values were instilled in us. I think my generation might have fumbled the ball but most of my generation that I know worked for what they got.

Our problem today, we're so lazy we believe all the shite we see/hear on Fox, MSNBC, or CNN. We don't think for ourselves.

A friend of mine told me not long ago, "I don't know how to classify you, liberal or conservative."

I told him it didn't make one shite. My views are so off the chart to most people it's scary.

Example? I believe strongly in the 2nd Amendment but I don't think you need a fricking bazooka in your pickup truck.

I think abortion is morally wrong but I don't think it's my business what your daughter decides.

I think our country gives away too much free shite but I don't think we should penalize some poor 3 year old kid because he has a sorry momma or daddy who won't raise or provide for him.

I believe in God but I don't give one shite about these mega church money grubbing preachers who shake down a congregation and prey on them in order to pad their own pockets.

frick y'all, stay off my lawn.

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It's no longer liberal vs. conservative, it's tribe vs. tribe.

Your tribe is determined by your skill at determining what others are lying about.

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Media and especially the internet reinforces and encourages the tribalism. Having the world at your fingertips doesn't expand anyone's viewpoint. People seek out whatever niche community makes them feel better about whatever rigid notions they already hold. No matter how nutty you are, there's a tribe for you online that will tell you you're absolutely right.

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A friend of mine told me not long ago, "I don't know how to classify you, liberal or conservative."

I told him it didn't make one shite. My views are so off the chart to most people it's scary.

Example? I believe strongly in the 2nd Amendment but I don't think you need a fricking bazooka in your pickup truck.

I think abortion is morally wrong but I don't think it's my business what your daughter decides.

I think our country gives away too much free shite but I don't think we should penalize some poor 3 year old kid because he has a sorry momma or daddy who won't raise or provide for him.

I believe in God but I don't give one shite about these mega church money grubbing preachers who shake down a congregation and prey on them in order to pad their own pockets.

frick y'all, stay off my lawn

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The problem is the government is better at dividing people than people are at avoiding tribalism. It's something in the way humans are hardwired and has been as long as civilizations have existed.

Reading about the war between Carthage and Rome yesterday it struck me how both had thriving empires on opposite sides of the Mediterranean, but they had to go to war over Sicily because thriving was not enough, they needed MORE to fund the empire machine. Even if wars almost bankrupt them and cost the lives of thousands of citizens, there is never "enough"

Likely born conservative like every other animal. College and media made me liberal. Money brought me back to the dark side.

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People with a strong external locus of control psychology (victors) tend to gravitate to The Left. IE, -I failed the test because the professor sucked. Why do all my professors suck? They hate me because I'm ________. It's grievance and resentment based.

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If you venture to the poli board the Right definitely exemplifies this characteristic.

They are a mirror of the left.

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