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Posted on 2/17/26 at 12:44 pm to stout
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People are saying that if you are under 60 right now, you can expect to potentially live to 120 due to upcoming AI advancements we could never make as humans.
The first bicentennial person is already alive, in my opinion.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 1:38 pm to stout
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It's amazing how some people here can't have an open discussion and simply resort to name-calling
It's not name calling. UBI is a socialist idea. Hell, it's a marxist one. Just because YOU are saying it, doesn't make it less marxist.
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I have never once even ventured near anything worthy of me being called a socialist
Except, UBI.
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Having a discussion that AI is a disruptor that could greatly change societal needs isn't partisan at all.
Suggesting that UBI is the ultimate final outcome is. When it clearly is not. History has proven time and time again that when technology advances, humans adapt. It didn't go socialist because "there's no more jobs".
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:18 pm to stout
There is a possible solution, but conservatives won't like it because it goes against everything they've been taught to value. The possible answer is forced retirement.
With AI eliminating jobs and making goods cheaper, we can move to a 20-30 year work life. People can graduate high school or college and then work until they are 50ish. UBI would essentially be a pension based on earnings and other factors
This would ensure young people have jobs and older people still get to enjoy retirement while relatively young.
Of course, conservatives will say, "But what if I want to work until I die. You're taking away my rights." We can find some busy work for people who don't know how to enjoy life. If you want to still work after 50, then you can go scrub some streets or something.
Yes, there are a thousand ways to nitpick this early-stage plan, like what to do with small business owners and true visionaries, but the truth is that something will need to be done. Sticking our heads in the sand to ignore tens of millions of unemployed workers is a recipe for disaster.
We could all have relatively easy lives, but people would have to accept a system where most people benefit more than they contribute, and that will be tough for some, even when the current system would make it almost impossible for people to contribute.
If AI really does take 50% of jobs, we are going to need a new perspective. I know conservatives hate it, but the ideal society with AI would be to have all necessary goods provided to everyone. When all production is robots and AI, then the usual argument of "that's stealing someone's labor," like with universal healthcare, won't apply. Plus, the deflation from cheaper goods will make everything more affordable, so there will be no need to spend trillions in debt to accomplish it.
If AI really upsets the workforce like some are predicting, we will have to change our philosophy. There are many who will fight it every inch of the way, because they are more principled than realistic.
If AI takes that many jobs, then you will have to provide some sort of subsistence or guaranteed employment. The alternative is dealing with millions of poor people with idle hands and no hope. It may not be the conservative thing to do, but holding tight to an economic ideology despite changing circumstances isn't going to bring success, either.
It may never reach that point, but it's a possibility that must be considered.
With AI eliminating jobs and making goods cheaper, we can move to a 20-30 year work life. People can graduate high school or college and then work until they are 50ish. UBI would essentially be a pension based on earnings and other factors
This would ensure young people have jobs and older people still get to enjoy retirement while relatively young.
Of course, conservatives will say, "But what if I want to work until I die. You're taking away my rights." We can find some busy work for people who don't know how to enjoy life. If you want to still work after 50, then you can go scrub some streets or something.
Yes, there are a thousand ways to nitpick this early-stage plan, like what to do with small business owners and true visionaries, but the truth is that something will need to be done. Sticking our heads in the sand to ignore tens of millions of unemployed workers is a recipe for disaster.
We could all have relatively easy lives, but people would have to accept a system where most people benefit more than they contribute, and that will be tough for some, even when the current system would make it almost impossible for people to contribute.
If AI really does take 50% of jobs, we are going to need a new perspective. I know conservatives hate it, but the ideal society with AI would be to have all necessary goods provided to everyone. When all production is robots and AI, then the usual argument of "that's stealing someone's labor," like with universal healthcare, won't apply. Plus, the deflation from cheaper goods will make everything more affordable, so there will be no need to spend trillions in debt to accomplish it.
If AI really upsets the workforce like some are predicting, we will have to change our philosophy. There are many who will fight it every inch of the way, because they are more principled than realistic.
If AI takes that many jobs, then you will have to provide some sort of subsistence or guaranteed employment. The alternative is dealing with millions of poor people with idle hands and no hope. It may not be the conservative thing to do, but holding tight to an economic ideology despite changing circumstances isn't going to bring success, either.
It may never reach that point, but it's a possibility that must be considered.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:24 pm to BugAC
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UBI is a socialist idea. Hell, it's a marxist one. Just because YOU are saying it, doesn't make it less marxist.
I mean it could be considered socialism if implemented with a no work requirement … it also could be structured in a way to work hand and hand with stagnant wages and rising costs
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:32 pm to stout
None of what you say is going to happen.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:43 pm to theballguy
The way you stop the AI takeover is to financially disincentivize companies who kill the workforce for cheap labor.
Company uses AI computers instead of Human workers - Hefty Tax
Data Centers using up water and resources Americans need - Hefty Tax
I know we all hate taxes but at some point its going to have to happen.
Company uses AI computers instead of Human workers - Hefty Tax
Data Centers using up water and resources Americans need - Hefty Tax
I know we all hate taxes but at some point its going to have to happen.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:45 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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If AI takes that many jobs, then you will have to provide some sort of subsistence or guaranteed employment. The alternative is dealing with millions of poor people with idle hands and no hope. It may not be the conservative thing to do, but holding tight to an economic ideology despite changing circumstances isn't going to bring success, either.
A bonus would be all the bureaucracies that would be eliminated. I definitely don't want to live in world where I hold hard assets with 50% of the population is without a job or income.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:49 pm to stout
Call me when AI is doing tattoos and mani/pedis, lifting trucks, wrapping Challengers, making payday loans, etc.
Nobody cares that programmers are getting replaced, my dude.
Nobody cares that programmers are getting replaced, my dude.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:52 pm to stout
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Elon says that ultimately, money won't even matter because goods will basically be free. Again, it's all speculative, and no one knows at which point this will be a reality, if ever.
Then what the hell is motivating people and corporations to make good, interesting, or useful things, foods, etc? Notoriety? Is attention the new currency?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:53 pm to BugAC
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It's not name calling. UBI is a socialist idea. Hell, it's a marxist one. Just because YOU are saying it, doesn't make it less marxist.
If the alternative is to kill off all the people that can't find work then maybe you shouldn't worry about stupid labels
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:53 pm to theballguy
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None of what you say is going to happen.
The head in the sand attitude so many have to what is happening at breakneck speed is pretty crazy.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 2:55 pm to stout
UBI will be a reality, and it will be generous enough to cover living expenses, entertainment, drugs, pornography, partying etc but not enough to actually get ahead in life.
This will be the perfect way to lull a population to sleep and dependence
This will be the perfect way to lull a population to sleep and dependence
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:04 pm to Ace Midnight
soon
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:04 pm to stout
we can choose to reject AI.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:09 pm to notsince98
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we can choose to reject AI.
If you own your own business
If your employer chooses to embrace AI there is nothing you can do about it
And if businesses that elect to use AI can undercut those that don't then it could spell problems for a lot of people
It might be all hype and never happen. Or it might put 50 million + people permanently out of a job over the next 5 years
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:17 pm to Powerman
it is no different than buy american. Sometimes you have to vote with your $.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:18 pm to Powerman
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If the alternative is to kill off all the people that can't find work then maybe you shouldn't worry about stupid labels
I imagine Bud and Hank had this kind of discussion when they saw their first tractor plowing a neighboring field early last century.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:22 pm to stout
If companies wholesale lay off people due to AI then who is left to actually buy goods? Then who would corporations and companies sell good and services too, to generate profit.
Plus, there isn’t enough profit to tax to replace wages of those lost due to AI with UBI.
Plus, there isn’t enough profit to tax to replace wages of those lost due to AI with UBI.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 3:24 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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There is a possible solution, but conservatives won't like it because it goes against everything they've been taught to value. The possible answer is forced retirement.
actually jethro when my father started with GMAC in 1954 GM had mandatory retirement at age 65 along with a pension. all big corporations did. when they replaced their pensions with 401k's they got rid of mandatory retirement.
they offered my dad an early out in 95 at 63. so he took his $4000 dollar a month pension and got a job at a company called LSI which also did automotive financing double dipping as it where. that company got bought out by GM in 98 without mandatory retirement my dad worked until age 74 having worked for GM for 52 years. longest serving GM employees in company history.
my dad told me many times that his greatest joy in life was the realization that he was taking a job away from a younger man who might grow up and be replaced by AI!
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