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re: Are Dems ahead of the curve on corporate taxes as UBI becomes necessary due to AI?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:01 am to stout
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:01 am to stout
The part that balances it out, what is the point of rolling AI into everything, if it puts millions out of work. Capitalism has a way of balancing itself out and shy of the government coming in and providing UBI, there should be no incentive to displace all these workers.
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:04 am to DarthRebel
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Capitalism has a way of balancing itself out
Yes, and the closest example we have is the industrial revolution, as I mentioned.
It’s not a perfect comparison, obviously, but it’s the best one we have. If we base our expectations on it at all, there’s a real concern about how fast we can adapt. After the industrial revolution, it took decades for society to adjust and for new jobs and entire industries to appear.
Now compare that to AI, which is moving far faster than anything back then. If adaptation took that long when change was slower, it’s reasonable to worry whether society can keep up this time around.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:04 am to stout
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but my point still stands
No disagreement there
I would say as a general rule - if you can do your job remotely, it's probably at risk.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:06 am to Powerman
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We may see in our lifetimes the end of the concept of currency entirely
It would be wild if the trade and barter systems made a huge comeback due to AI and the fall of currency.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:08 am to stout
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The compounding nature of the technology is unfathomable, so I understand why you think otherwise.
I think there will definitely be a limit to what text-based LLMs can accomplish. They are not recreating the human brain.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:10 am to Decatur
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I think there will definitely be a limit to what text-based LLMs can accomplish.
I think you are wrong, and the only limit will be the constraints we institute.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:10 am to stout
quote:This could have been said about every time period since… the invention of the wheel.
Corporations will still make goods, and the goods will be cheaper to mass-produce and distribute. It will lower the amount of UBI needed, but there will still be a need.
Again, this is all speculative and just a discussion, but it seems logical.
quote:Nope. We do data analytics, financial and engineering models, etc.
You're a tax attorney or accountant or something from what I gather.
quote:We’ve been using diffusion models in my field for decades. The wider world is about to get some tough lessons in their limitations.
What happens to people in your field then?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:12 am to stout
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It would be wild if the trade and barter systems made a huge comeback due to AI and the fall of currency.
I should note - I don't see this as a likely outcome. Just a plausible one. I'd say maybe 5% chance of happening in our lifetimes
100 years in the future - probably more like a 50% chance. If we aren't extinct.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:12 am to RemouladeSawce
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The more direct lever is just to ban corporate use of AI. The platform of any government that gets elected by enough people interested in getting the UBI ball rolling, is 100% going to include axing AI as well
Do that and ban outsourcing outright and the nation's existential job concerns improve drastically
This is one of the worst ideas I've ever read on this board
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:13 am to Taxing Authority
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This could have been said about every time period since… the invention of the wheel.
So you don't believe in the law of accelerating returns?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:14 am to DallasTiger11
quote:Unfortunately it's a far more likely reality than you'd like to believe
This is one of the worst ideas I've ever read on this board
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:14 am to Decatur
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I think there will definitely be a limit to what text-based LLMs can accomplish.
LLMs aren't the only type of models though. They're just the most well known and used by the public.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:14 am to Powerman
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I should note - I don't see this as a likely outcome. Just a plausible one. I'd say maybe 5% chance of happening in our lifetimes
100 years in the future - probably more like a 50% chance. If we aren't extinct.
Yea I agree, but I do like the idea of trade and barter and think more people should do it anyway.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:15 am to stout
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That has nothing to do with this topic, though. This isn't a partisan issue and will soon be a real concern.
My answer is the same.
No thank you. I opt out.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:23 am to RemouladeSawce
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Unfortunately it's a far more likely reality than you'd like to believe
No it isn't. It isn't even possible to actually enforce that and it also isn't constitutional.
A tax on LLM token consumption I could potentially see.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:24 am to stout
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You might not realize it, but even this is an example of things getting cheaper due to AI. As more people turn to trade jobs, because those are jobs AI can't replace, you will see more and more competitive pricing from those trades.
the two mexican's cost me 5k wrote the check last friday, did the demo in 4 days.
here's the thing my man i live in the real world, i don't live in theoryville. in my 64 years i've learned that most of the schit predicted in theoryville turns out to be total bullschit. i'm still waiting for big orbital space stations, a moon base and nehru jackets i was told everybody would be wearing these in the future
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:27 am to Powerman
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LLMs aren't the only type of models though. They're just the most well known and used by the public.
Which model has people the most worried about these predicted future negative externalities? I presume that’s the LLM model for most people.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:27 am to Decatur
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I think there will definitely be a limit to what text-based LLMs can accomplish
I agree. We aren't near that limit though. There is also the push for AGI. Whether it is achievable can be debated, but it is a goal.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:30 am to stout
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I think you are wrong, and the only limit will be the constraints we institute.
You don’t have to take my word for it. There’s plenty of reading material out there on the limits of LLMs.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 10:31 am to stout
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as UBI becomes necessary due to AI?
Wait, who the hell says that UBI is "necessary"?
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This isn’t really about ideology and should be a bipartisan concern
You've become quite the little socialist.
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