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re: Are Dems ahead of the curve on corporate taxes as UBI becomes necessary due to AI?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:44 am to UcobiaA
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:44 am to UcobiaA
quote:Who says China doesn't do it first?
You want to unilaterally disarm while China and other countries continue on with AI?
The effects of AI on Chinese industry will be the greatest threat the CCP will ever face. I don't like the latter's odds
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:46 am
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:45 am to theballguy
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has now become full 1 hundo communists
How is it communistic to speak of something that is a real possibility and concern?
It's not going to be a pleasant path for anyone moving forward. Goods will become cheaper as AI advances, much like they did due to the IR. How long will that take is unkown so how do we keep people from starving while society shifts?
Again, the IR shift took decades to find new industries and jobs and the implementation of factories was far slower than the potential compounding nature of AI.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:45 am to stout
AI is not going to force UBI on the population. The people pushing this canard are the same folks trying to sell you on how awesome AI will be.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:45 am to stout
quote:No. And it’s silly to think we can just print money, pass it out, and create wealth because of AI. If that were true, we could have already done it.
as AI replaces more jobs and UBI becomes something we actually need
You have to understand Leftists are great at leveraging fear, uncertainty, and doubt to scare people into believing their false premises. From “climate change”, to COVID, now to AI. It’s classic propaganda technique.
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:47 am to stout
here's the thing milt, my basic universal income is going to need to be between 40 to 70k a month to keep me flush.
if you can make that happen more power to you!
i grew up middle class can't say i liked it much and have no intention of going back to it.
if you can make that happen more power to you!
i grew up middle class can't say i liked it much and have no intention of going back to it.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:48 am to stout
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Look at what happened right after the Industrial Revolution. A lot of people lost work, conditions were awful, and it took decades before things evened out. And that was with machines that took years to build and roll out.
Certainly we can use AI to solve those problems now and prevent such from reoccurring.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:49 am to Taxing Authority
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and create wealth because of AI
It's not so much that AI will create wealth, although you could argue it already has. It's moreso that AI will make goods very cheap, very quickly, but at the same time eliminate large swaths of the workforce at a pace that we can't adapt to so how do we keep those people from starving?
Population reduction is another answer but that is a WEF talking point that I would like to think isn't even a possibility.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:51 am to dickkellog
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here's the thing milt, my basic universal income is going to need to be between 40 to 70k a month to keep me flush.
Another talking point is that 401Ks wont even matter in the near future.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:53 am to stout
quote:So we need universal handouts (from whom?) so we can afford ever-cheaper goods. Makes sense.
AI will make goods very cheap, very quickly, but at the same time eliminate large swaths of the workforce at a pace that we can't adapt to so how do we keep those people from starving?
This post was edited on 2/17/26 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:53 am to Decatur
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The people pushing this canard are the same folks trying to sell you on how awesome AI will be.
AI is going to be pretty awesome and it already is in a lot of areas. The compounding nature of the technology is unfathomable, so I understand why you think otherwise.
The real question is can we adapt to keep people working and how fast.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:54 am to RemouladeSawce
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Who says China doesn't do it first?
They are going to course correct fast then. Their AI is not at our level but they are trying to make it ubiquitous. Not speculation, it is what is happening.
AI, robotics, and automation are going to change things sooner than people think. If anything, it is being slow walked a bit to figure out what to do with displaced workers. We saw that wifh the dock workers union contract. The fast food industry could be mostly fully automated and AI run in two years. No job is safe, some are just safer a longer period of time.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:55 am to stout
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Another talking point is that 401Ks wont even matter in the near future.
We may see in our lifetimes the end of the concept of currency entirely
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:55 am to stout
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It's not so much that AI will create wealth, although you could argue it already has. It's moreso that AI will make goods very cheap, very quickly, but at the same time eliminate large swaths of the workforce at a pace that we can't adapt to so how do we keep those people from starving?
you know what AI can't do? it can't demo my two upstairs bath rooms two mexican's did that and one of them spoke the best english i've ever a mexican speak, wish my mexican maids spoke english that well.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:56 am to stout
Have people advocating for “UBI” ever bothered to look at our nation’s fiscal situation? As it is, interest on the debt and so-called entitlements account for 2/3 of the budget. We can’t manage what we have. Where is the money for UBI coming from?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:56 am to Taxing Authority
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So we need universal handouts (from whom?)
Corporations will still make goods, and the goods will be cheaper to mass-produce and distribute. It will lower the amount of UBI needed, but there will still be a need.
Again, this is all speculative and just a discussion, but it seems logical.
You're a tax attorney or accountant or something from what I gather. Accounting will be one of the very first industries AI wipes out. What happens to people in your field then?
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:57 am to stout
No one knows how this will turn out, but in theory automation should make goods and services super cheap to the point where you don't need much money to live a very basic lifestyle.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:57 am to RemouladeSawce
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The more direct lever is just to ban corporate use of AI.
Oh boy, that is a great way to lose jobs to other countries.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:58 am to stout
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You're a tax attorney or accountant or something from what I gather. Accounting will be one of the very first industries AI wipes out. What happens to people in your field then?
I can understand why you would think that but I don't believe that is his profession
I could be mistaken though
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:58 am to dickkellog
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you know what AI can't do? it can't demo my two upstairs bath rooms two mexican's did that and one of them spoke the best english i've ever a mexican speak, wish my mexican maids spoke english that well.
You might not realize it, but even this is an example of things getting cheaper due to AI. As more people turn to trade jobs, because those are jobs AI can't replace, you will see more and more competitive pricing from those trades.
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:59 am to Powerman
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I can understand why you would think that but I don't believe that is his profession
I thought he was. I could be wrong on that but my point still stands
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