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re: Appeals court calls Trump administration's defiance over mistakenly deported man shocking.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:33 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:33 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Thanks for the reply. I'm SUPER old school re extra-Constitutional military actions. So, that wasn't just a talking point to me.
I dont blame them for dissecting the entire move, but its not worth the noise they are making.
Apparently this is the most important event in the country if you listen to their talking heads.
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
They are definitely living in their own bubble which is so different than reality for the average citizen.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:35 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Out of curiosity - (If you know) the "withholding order forbidding his removal" - who issued this order, when and why?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:36 pm to minister of truth
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They are definitely living in their own bubble which is so different than reality for the average citizen.
I have lost left leaning friends since Trump took over. I didnt think he was an actual nazi, which apparently disturbed them.
I'm no fan, but he's not the menace the left thinks he is.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:36 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home?
Damn I wonder who has been asking this board that question for months now?
That's one smart cookie
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Yep, for that group it’s “hate” Trump and nothing else allowed. TDS is real & it’s mental illness
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:40 pm to Bunk Moreland
It wasn’t mistaken.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:44 pm to David_DJS
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Out of curiosity - (If you know) the "withholding order forbidding his removal" - who issued this order, when and why?
In 2019, an immigration judge held that Abrego Garcia was subject to deportation, but specifically barred the government from deporting him to El Salvador because of fear that he would be persecuted by a local El Salvador gang. From what I've read, the evidence of persecution was probably pretty weak. When he was a kid in El Salvador, the gang had tried to extort money from his family's business. At some point, that gang was removed. BUT, for whatever reason, ICE didn't appeal the order.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
That’s a mighty long leap between “illegal resident“ and“American citizens“
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:47 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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In 2019, an immigration judge held that Abrego Garcia was subject to deportation, but specifically barred the government from deporting him to El Salvador because of fear that he would be persecuted by a local El Salvador gang. From what I've read, the evidence of persecution was probably pretty weak. When he was a kid in El Salvador, the gang had tried to extort money from his family's business. At some point, that gang was removed. BUT, for whatever reason, ICE didn't appeal the order.
So if not for this order, everything would be good about his recent deportation?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:49 pm to minister of truth
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That’s a mighty long leap between “illegal resident“ and“American citizens“
Not in terms of the legal issues being discussed in this case.
The Exec transports you to El Salvador and you're in their custody. They do the "wink wink" we can't do nuttin response and claim it's El Salvador's call.
What do you do?
You don't suddenly get to change the arguments about executive power because you're a citizen and he isn't, as the discussion is agnostic towards legal status entirely.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:50 pm to David_DJS
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So if not for this order, everything would be good about his recent deportation?
Absolutely.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:52 pm to David_DJS
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So if not for this order, everything would be good about his recent deportation?
It's very probable, but since we don't have a time machine to fix it, that ruling/record are binding moving forward. That's why every court has basically agreed the removal was improper (including the Supreme Court).
This issue has morphed into something else though with potential defiance of court orders
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Damn I wonder who has been asking this board that question for months now?
“Deport” American citizens to another country? You’ve been raising that possibility for months now? As to even insinuate that it’s a distinct possibility that people, if they were smart, should be actively discussing? Well, I’d assume folks haven’t been responding in kind because of how preposterous a proposition it is. How would deporting a citizen of their own country work? And as if the discussion should even reach that stage, which countries would be in agreement with accepting deported citizens of their own country presumably for reasons of their being undesirables? Are you being serious, or joshing around? And I don’t mean that insultingly, I’m just surprised someone who views himself as erudite as yourself would seriously entertain that idea.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
The fallacy here is that illegal residents have the same rights in this country as American citizens.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's very probable, but since we don't have a time machine to fix it, that ruling/record are binding moving forward.
No time machine but can't the order be cancelled?
Again out of curiosity, what sort of credentials do "immigration judges" have?
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This issue has morphed into something else though with potential defiance of court orders
Our justice system is catching up to the medical industry in sacrificing credibility for political/economic reasons to the point it's becoming wise to ignore it.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:59 pm to David_DJS
As a physician I would agree that the medical profession has sacrificed its legitimacy in arguing for the best in patient care but I think the legal system has beat us to the train
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:59 pm to IvoryBillMatt
We need a Supreme Supreme Court to interpret what the Supreme Court said.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 6:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This issue has morphed into something else though with potential defiance of court orders
Well the courts opinion, and that's what it is, is laughable.
Do you need a civics lesson (you do)
Posted on 4/17/25 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not in terms of the legal issues being discussed in this case. The Exec transports you to El Salvador and you're in their custody. They do the "wink wink" we can't do nuttin response and claim it's El Salvador's call. What do you do? You don't suddenly get to change the arguments about executive power because you're a citizen and he isn't, as the discussion is agnostic towards legal status entirely.
You seem to be under the ridiculous assumption that this is all procedural and not political. That's not how are co-equal branch of government is structured.
You need a civics lesson.
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