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re: AP: memo authorizes ICE to enter homes by force without a judicial warrant
Posted on 1/22/26 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/22/26 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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The issue is entering the home only with this type of "warrant".
I can see that. Maybe the answer is to get two warrants; one for the illegal and another for the people enabling his criminal behavior.
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I agree with a great deal of what Trump is doing but there’s a lot of shortsightedness
The things that MAGA has rejected is getting stunning Capitalism Non-interventionism States' rights Textualism ....now the 4th Amendment
Remember what they were doing during biden’s term? It’s going to get a whole lot worse when dems eventually take back power
Posted on 1/22/26 at 9:56 am to Ingeniero
Posted on 1/22/26 at 9:57 am to Turbeauxdog
Just to wrap up this convo.
Lawyers are advising clients to ignore legal orders.
No one is disbarring the lawyers.
The legal profession is trash.
Lawyers are advising clients to ignore legal orders.
No one is disbarring the lawyers.
The legal profession is trash.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:00 am to Turbeauxdog
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False.
An immigration judge can issue a removal order with or without the person in custody.
Again, you don't read good.
The illegal immigrant only "ignores" the removal order if they are taken into lawful custody, legally, and then resist. If a lawyer advises their client do this, then that would be a problem.
However, again, reading comprehension, that is not the subject of discussion.
quote:
My post was literally commenting that the only thing important in the article is the unethical legal advice.
But it's only unethical with an irrelevant digression you created describing something that isn't being discussed, and you can't even articulate the proper concept properly.
Other than that, you're spot on.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:01 am to Mushroom1968
quote:
They have an Administrative warrant.
Administrative warrants have been used for decades and recognized by the Supreme Court and lower courts.
Not to enter private residences without consent.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:02 am to Flats
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Maybe the answer is to get two warrants; one for the illegal and another for the people enabling his criminal behavior.
The 2nd warrant likely wouldn't work.
What they need is a proper search warrant issued by a real judge.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:02 am to Ingeniero
quote:
based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant
Immigration judges are administrative judges. ICE is entering with a warrant.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
I couldn’t care less and the fact that you care so much only further validates my position because you are nothing more than a condescending stooge.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:05 am to 4cubbies
quote:
What could possibly go wrong?
Lots can go wrong with open borders.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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The illegal immigrant only "ignores" the removal order if they are taken into lawful custody, legally, and then resist.
No.
A lawyer knows their client has a removal order.
The lawyer is advising the client to stay in their home so the legal order can be avoided.
That's corrupt and unethical and the lawyers should be disbarred.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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The 4th Amendment still applies to ICE
Does federal law apply to sanctuary cities?
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:09 am to Turbeauxdog
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A lawyer knows their client has a removal order.
The lawyer is advising the client to stay in their home so the legal order can be avoided.
The state still has to follow the law in order to serve that warrant, and the person is doing nothing illegal by remaining in a private residence.
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That's corrupt and unethical and the lawyers should be disbarred.
Quadrupling down on ignorance and bad arguments is on brand.
The fact that you tried to spike the football makes it so much worse
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
and the person is doing nothing illegal by remaining in a private residence.
But are they doing something illegal by ignoring a removal order?
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:11 am to Azkiger
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Lots can go wrong with open borders.
The way to close borders is through administrative warrants?
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:13 am to Azkiger
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But are they doing something illegal by ignoring a removal order?
The state has laws regulating how a warrant must be served.
The person may not even have notice of this removal order.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:13 am to AUstar
if that is the case then it is still very problematic. If the police have an arrest warrant for someone they still need to attest to the probable cause as to where the person is likely to be found before a neutral judge. Allowing the police themselves to draw up the warrant seems an awful lot like the general warrants that our forefathers hated.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
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The way to close borders is through administrative warrants?
Just pointing out double standards.
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
The state has laws regulating how a warrant must be served.
The person may not even have notice of this removal order
Why didn't you answer my question?
Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:16 am to FATBOY TIGER
If game wardens are entering homes without consent, exigent circumstances, or a warrant then they are violating the constitutional rights of people. There is no exception for game wardens that do not apply to any and all government agencies.
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