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AOC understands Democracy better than Republicans

Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:29 pm
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Spend enough time talking politics on the internet — or in any other public forum — and you’ll run into this standard reply to anyone who wants more democracy in American government: “We’re a republic, not a democracy.”


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Crenshaw, who has sparred with Ocasio-Cortez before, jumped in with a response: “Abolishing the Electoral College means that politicians will only campaign in (and listen to) urban areas. That is not a representative democracy.” And then he said it: “We live in a republic, which means 51% of the population doesn’t get to boss around the other 49%.”


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Crenshaw is wrong on the impact of ending the Electoral College. A presidential candidate who focused only on America’s cities and urban centers would lose — there just aren’t enough votes. Republicans live in cities just as Democrats live in rural areas. Under a popular vote, candidates would still have to build national coalitions across demographic and geographic lines. The difference is that those coalitions would involve every region of the country instead of a handful of competitive states in the Rust Belt and parts of the South.


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You can fill in the blanks of the argument from there. The Founding Fathers built a government to stymie the “tyranny of the majority.” They contrasted their “republic” with “democracy,” which they condemned as dangerous and unstable. As John Adams wrote in an 1814 letter to the Virginia politician John Taylor: “Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide.”


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But there’s a problem. For the founders, “democracy” did not mean majority rule in a system of representation. The men who led the revolution and devised the Constitution were immersed in classical literature and political theory. Ancient Greece, in particular, was a cautionary tale. When James Madison critiqued “democracy” in Federalist No. 10, he meant the Athenian sort: “a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person.” This he contrasted with a “republic” or “a government in which the scheme of representation takes place.” Likewise, in a 1788 speech to the New York ratification convention, Alexander Hamilton disavowed “the ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated.” They “never possessed one good feature of government,” he said. “Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:30 pm to
The electoral college should be the election method for every election in this country, IMO.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
13331 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:32 pm to
I don't know why they are wasting time on someone who will not even be re-elected. She is a flash in the pan, her constituents fricking hate her. She has done nothing for them as she spends her time desperately trying to create soundbites for CNN and show up for photo-shoots with [INSERT FAILING MAGAZINE NAME HERE].
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79615 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:33 pm to
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AOC understands Democracy better than Republicans


AOC is an actress playing a part. It’s doubtful she knows any more about tying her own shoelaces than Zippy the Pinhead does.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:36 pm to
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her constituents fricking hate her. She has done nothing for them


Well she ran Amazon and it's 20,000 jobs out of her poor district. Thats something right?
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13604 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:41 pm to
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AOC is an actress playing a part. It’s doubtful she knows any more about tying her own shoelaces than Zippy the Pinhead does.
an actress who’s been conspicuously quiet since her chief of staff and puppet master was forced to resign. Hmmmmmm....
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64587 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:41 pm to
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she ran Amazon and it's 20,000 jobs out of her poor district.


Seems she understands being a democrat not democracy.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:44 pm to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30543 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:45 pm to
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an actress who’s been conspicuously quiet since her chief of staff and puppet master was forced to resign. Hmmmmmm....

Rumors suggest that she was starting to ad lib. The deal was she would be their spokesperson and representative, but she started doing her own thing and breaking the script
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
14973 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:46 pm to
AOC didn't write that. She's still working on advancing past crayons.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:46 pm to
The electoral college has nothing to do with republic vs. Democracy.

The electoral college is a states right issue. We are the United States of America. The states elect the president and decide how their electoral votes are divided up.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29032 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:54 pm to
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AOC understands Terrorism better than Republicans


FIFY
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63441 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:15 pm to
It is correct to say the U. S. Is a constitutional

republic.

It s also a representative democracy.
Posted by Dragoon
Member since Jul 2019
112 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:20 pm to
Shameless how they’re not even trying to hide the fact they want to simply move the goalposts now that they lost.

If SHE had won, you would have never heard anything about the EC.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:38 pm to
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Crenshaw is wrong on the impact of ending the Electoral College. A presidential candidate who focused only on America’s cities and urban centers would lose — there just aren’t enough votes. Republicans live in cities just as Democrats live in rural areas. Under a popular vote, candidates would still have to build national coalitions across demographic and geographic lines. The difference is that those coalitions would involve every region of the country instead of a handful of competitive states in the Rust Belt and parts of the South.
This part is a bit deceptive. The implication is that a NPV will actually make things more fair but it doesn't address the issues of time and resources for candidates. They can't build coalitions by visiting every town and city in the country. They can't even do it by visiting every state an equal number of times. They have to focus their attention where they will get the most bang for their buck, which means focusing on large population centers (big cities).

It also ignores the point of the Electoral College.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25556 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:43 pm to
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The electoral college should be the election method for every election in this country, IMO.


This is why the 10th decision on faithless electors was so important. Without the possibility of faithless electors, the original intent of the EC is destroyed.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:44 pm to
They want to abolish the EC because the “voters” they want in the country via open borders will largely live in states that already are Blue and that doesn’t help the master plan. They may flip Texas with open borders, but that will take a while.

They want it now.
Posted by Sponge
Member since Nov 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:46 pm to
It is fascinating to me

You can have the IQ of the average 13 year old, chase penguins in your spare time, be perplexed by common kitchen items like a garbage disposal, and call everyone who voted for Trump (62 million Americans btw) racists...

and still have the MSM prop you up simply because their beliefs align with yours.

This c*nt would be kicked to the curb faster than Palin if she had a (R) after her name.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26615 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:50 pm to
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A presidential candidate who focused only on America’s cities and urban centers would lose — there just aren’t enough votes.


This guy is an idiot. Of course there are enough votes.

To look at the precinct map from 2016. It is damn near completely red. Hillary pretty much only won in major cities and WON the popular vote. She got skulldragged in the burbs and rural areas.

Thank God the EC saved us from that despicable, criminal wench.
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:53 pm to
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an actress who’s been conspicuously quiet since her chief of staff and puppet master was forced to resign. Hmmmmmm.... Rumors suggest that she was starting to ad lib. The deal was she would be their spokesperson and representative, but she started doing her own thing and breaking the script


Same can be said about Trump. Are his policies really his own or is he just following orders from certain party decision makers?

I have now lost count of how many times he has shot from the hip and said something against party policy and have to come out the next day and back track his statements or have his advisers spin his words later.



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