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AOC understands Democracy better than Republicans
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:29 pm
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Spend enough time talking politics on the internet — or in any other public forum — and you’ll run into this standard reply to anyone who wants more democracy in American government: “We’re a republic, not a democracy.”
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Crenshaw, who has sparred with Ocasio-Cortez before, jumped in with a response: “Abolishing the Electoral College means that politicians will only campaign in (and listen to) urban areas. That is not a representative democracy.” And then he said it: “We live in a republic, which means 51% of the population doesn’t get to boss around the other 49%.”
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Crenshaw is wrong on the impact of ending the Electoral College. A presidential candidate who focused only on America’s cities and urban centers would lose — there just aren’t enough votes. Republicans live in cities just as Democrats live in rural areas. Under a popular vote, candidates would still have to build national coalitions across demographic and geographic lines. The difference is that those coalitions would involve every region of the country instead of a handful of competitive states in the Rust Belt and parts of the South.
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You can fill in the blanks of the argument from there. The Founding Fathers built a government to stymie the “tyranny of the majority.” They contrasted their “republic” with “democracy,” which they condemned as dangerous and unstable. As John Adams wrote in an 1814 letter to the Virginia politician John Taylor: “Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide.”
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But there’s a problem. For the founders, “democracy” did not mean majority rule in a system of representation. The men who led the revolution and devised the Constitution were immersed in classical literature and political theory. Ancient Greece, in particular, was a cautionary tale. When James Madison critiqued “democracy” in Federalist No. 10, he meant the Athenian sort: “a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person.” This he contrasted with a “republic” or “a government in which the scheme of representation takes place.” Likewise, in a 1788 speech to the New York ratification convention, Alexander Hamilton disavowed “the ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated.” They “never possessed one good feature of government,” he said. “Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:30 pm to tduecen
The electoral college should be the election method for every election in this country, IMO.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:32 pm to tduecen
I don't know why they are wasting time on someone who will not even be re-elected. She is a flash in the pan, her constituents fricking hate her. She has done nothing for them as she spends her time desperately trying to create soundbites for CNN and show up for photo-shoots with [INSERT FAILING MAGAZINE NAME HERE].
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:33 pm to tduecen
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AOC understands Democracy better than Republicans
AOC is an actress playing a part. It’s doubtful she knows any more about tying her own shoelaces than Zippy the Pinhead does.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:36 pm to Shiftyplus1
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her constituents fricking hate her. She has done nothing for them
Well she ran Amazon and it's 20,000 jobs out of her poor district. Thats something right?
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:41 pm to Godfather1
quote:an actress who’s been conspicuously quiet since her chief of staff and puppet master was forced to resign. Hmmmmmm....
AOC is an actress playing a part. It’s doubtful she knows any more about tying her own shoelaces than Zippy the Pinhead does.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:41 pm to WorkinDawg
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she ran Amazon and it's 20,000 jobs out of her poor district.
Seems she understands being a democrat not democracy.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:45 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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an actress who’s been conspicuously quiet since her chief of staff and puppet master was forced to resign. Hmmmmmm....
Rumors suggest that she was starting to ad lib. The deal was she would be their spokesperson and representative, but she started doing her own thing and breaking the script
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:46 pm to tduecen
AOC didn't write that. She's still working on advancing past crayons.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:46 pm to tduecen
The electoral college has nothing to do with republic vs. Democracy.
The electoral college is a states right issue. We are the United States of America. The states elect the president and decide how their electoral votes are divided up.
The electoral college is a states right issue. We are the United States of America. The states elect the president and decide how their electoral votes are divided up.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:54 pm to tduecen
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AOC understands Terrorism better than Republicans
FIFY
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:15 pm to tduecen
It is correct to say the U. S. Is a constitutional
republic.
It s also a representative democracy.
republic.
It s also a representative democracy.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:20 pm to tduecen
Shameless how they’re not even trying to hide the fact they want to simply move the goalposts now that they lost.
If SHE had won, you would have never heard anything about the EC.
If SHE had won, you would have never heard anything about the EC.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:38 pm to tduecen
quote:This part is a bit deceptive. The implication is that a NPV will actually make things more fair but it doesn't address the issues of time and resources for candidates. They can't build coalitions by visiting every town and city in the country. They can't even do it by visiting every state an equal number of times. They have to focus their attention where they will get the most bang for their buck, which means focusing on large population centers (big cities).
Crenshaw is wrong on the impact of ending the Electoral College. A presidential candidate who focused only on America’s cities and urban centers would lose — there just aren’t enough votes. Republicans live in cities just as Democrats live in rural areas. Under a popular vote, candidates would still have to build national coalitions across demographic and geographic lines. The difference is that those coalitions would involve every region of the country instead of a handful of competitive states in the Rust Belt and parts of the South.
It also ignores the point of the Electoral College.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:43 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The electoral college should be the election method for every election in this country, IMO.
This is why the 10th decision on faithless electors was so important. Without the possibility of faithless electors, the original intent of the EC is destroyed.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:44 pm to tduecen
They want to abolish the EC because the “voters” they want in the country via open borders will largely live in states that already are Blue and that doesn’t help the master plan. They may flip Texas with open borders, but that will take a while.
They want it now.
They want it now.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:46 pm to tduecen
It is fascinating to me
You can have the IQ of the average 13 year old, chase penguins in your spare time, be perplexed by common kitchen items like a garbage disposal, and call everyone who voted for Trump (62 million Americans btw) racists...
and still have the MSM prop you up simply because their beliefs align with yours.
This c*nt would be kicked to the curb faster than Palin if she had a (R) after her name.
You can have the IQ of the average 13 year old, chase penguins in your spare time, be perplexed by common kitchen items like a garbage disposal, and call everyone who voted for Trump (62 million Americans btw) racists...
and still have the MSM prop you up simply because their beliefs align with yours.
This c*nt would be kicked to the curb faster than Palin if she had a (R) after her name.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:50 pm to tduecen
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A presidential candidate who focused only on America’s cities and urban centers would lose — there just aren’t enough votes.
This guy is an idiot. Of course there are enough votes.
To look at the precinct map from 2016. It is damn near completely red. Hillary pretty much only won in major cities and WON the popular vote. She got skulldragged in the burbs and rural areas.
Thank God the EC saved us from that despicable, criminal wench.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 5:53 pm to Upperdecker
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an actress who’s been conspicuously quiet since her chief of staff and puppet master was forced to resign. Hmmmmmm.... Rumors suggest that she was starting to ad lib. The deal was she would be their spokesperson and representative, but she started doing her own thing and breaking the script
Same can be said about Trump. Are his policies really his own or is he just following orders from certain party decision makers?
I have now lost count of how many times he has shot from the hip and said something against party policy and have to come out the next day and back track his statements or have his advisers spin his words later.
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