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Anyone see the new Diary of a CEO podcast? Re: Trump foreign policy
Posted on 1/23/26 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 1/23/26 at 7:53 pm
I'm only a few minutes into it and will pick it up again tomorrow.
At any rate the gist of it is the guest is talking about why Trump is behaving the way he is. And I think he's spot on and it's actually complimentary of Trump. Essentially Trump recognizes what most western leaders have failed to see : the idea that we live in a rules based western idea of international order is a myth and has been for some time (possibly at least multiple decades IMO). Which is why when we make moves against Venezuela we didn't ask for permission from the western European countries. They're irrelevant and have been for some time. The international norms and laws don't mean anything because they aren't enforced. There are no consequences to breaking them. (or minimal consequences)
I'm often critical of Trump but I do believe he sees something that more traditional politicians have been blind to as far as international order goes. The post WW2 alliances are meaningless because the European countries have been weakened. They move too slow and the rules that they think they have to operate under are put the western powers at a disadvantage vs Eastern powers that ignore these rules completely (exhibit A would be Russia)
Anyway I think it's worth a watch or at least to kick these ideas around a bit
At any rate the gist of it is the guest is talking about why Trump is behaving the way he is. And I think he's spot on and it's actually complimentary of Trump. Essentially Trump recognizes what most western leaders have failed to see : the idea that we live in a rules based western idea of international order is a myth and has been for some time (possibly at least multiple decades IMO). Which is why when we make moves against Venezuela we didn't ask for permission from the western European countries. They're irrelevant and have been for some time. The international norms and laws don't mean anything because they aren't enforced. There are no consequences to breaking them. (or minimal consequences)
I'm often critical of Trump but I do believe he sees something that more traditional politicians have been blind to as far as international order goes. The post WW2 alliances are meaningless because the European countries have been weakened. They move too slow and the rules that they think they have to operate under are put the western powers at a disadvantage vs Eastern powers that ignore these rules completely (exhibit A would be Russia)
Anyway I think it's worth a watch or at least to kick these ideas around a bit
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Posted on 1/23/26 at 8:19 pm to Powerman
Good topic and will check it out. It's applicable domestically too, here and in Europe. The European migration crises exhibit this well IMO. You bind yourself to rules-based order that may be largely dictated to you by another state with different history and guilt and interests, and you're obligated to subjugate yourself to an influx of people who have no understanding or interest in abiding by those norms. They belong to an entirely different paradigm and when you realize that, you suppress dissent rather than change course.
One thing I find so fascinating about all of this is that so many of these convictions are, to me, "soft." Meaning they're ethics based, rules based, fleeting value based - pluralistic, liberalism, welfare state, so forth. RR Reno, if so inclined, would call them "weak Gods"
But man have they effectively captured people. There is an inherent knee-jerk reaction that deviating from those norms, no matter how poorly they're serving us, is unthinkable.
My wife asked me tonight why George W Bush was pleading publicly to reform instead of break from/recreate the UN, and this topic came to mind. I'm sure some actively consider that their standing in society is premised on this order and a shift would jeopardize that. But I think many of them are more or less like the average person - it's been baked into us for the last 80 years.
One thing I find so fascinating about all of this is that so many of these convictions are, to me, "soft." Meaning they're ethics based, rules based, fleeting value based - pluralistic, liberalism, welfare state, so forth. RR Reno, if so inclined, would call them "weak Gods"
But man have they effectively captured people. There is an inherent knee-jerk reaction that deviating from those norms, no matter how poorly they're serving us, is unthinkable.
My wife asked me tonight why George W Bush was pleading publicly to reform instead of break from/recreate the UN, and this topic came to mind. I'm sure some actively consider that their standing in society is premised on this order and a shift would jeopardize that. But I think many of them are more or less like the average person - it's been baked into us for the last 80 years.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 8:22 pm to Pettifogger
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One thing I find so fascinating about all of this is that so many of these convictions are, to me, "soft." Meaning they're ethics based, rules based, fleeting value based - pluralistic, liberalism, welfare state, so forth. RR Reno, if so inclined, would call them "weak Gods"
But man have they effectively captured people. There is an inherent knee-jerk reaction that deviating from those norms, no matter how poorly they're serving us, is unthinkable.
This is just a function/result of democracy
Which is why the people who are softly promoting authoritarianism attack it so much.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 9:17 pm to Powerman
I really enjoy those podcasts. He’s a super interviewer.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:04 pm to Pettifogger
Also I'm a POS for not linking the thing I'm talking about.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:04 pm to TS1926
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I really enjoy those podcasts. He’s a super interviewer.
He gets much better
If nothing else it's a good example of someone that says he'll improve and he does
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:08 pm to Pettifogger
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Good topic and will check it out. It's applicable domestically too, here and in Europe. The European migration crises exhibit this well IMO. You bind yourself to rules-based order that may be largely dictated to you by another state with different history and guilt and interests, and you're obligated to subjugate yourself to an influx of people who have no understanding or interest in abiding by those norms. They belong to an entirely different paradigm and when you realize that, you suppress dissent rather than change course.
The Jack Nicholson head nodding gif would be appropriate here but I'm too lazy to look it up
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:12 pm to Powerman
quote:This only exists if the strongest nations go along with it, they aren't ruled by psychopaths, and it serves their interests to do so. The rest of the world is waking up to how weak they really are. It's likely too late for them to reverse their welfare states and regain any kind of sovereignty.
a rules based western idea of international order
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:24 pm to Pettifogger
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The European migration crises exhibit this well IMO. You bind yourself to rules-based order that may be largely dictated to you by another state with different history and guilt and interests, and you're obligated to subjugate yourself to an influx of people who have no understanding or interest in abiding by those norms.
It not only exhibits it well I think it's the cause/justification for the break. Just look at England. They're no longer the country they were when we made these agreements. And it's not as if they're trying to maintain some semblance of Wester culture but keep failing; they're actively running away from it. Ok, fair enough, but I'm not sure we need to be tied at the hip any longer because we have fundamentally different values.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:34 pm to coolpapaboze
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This only exists if the strongest nations go along with it, they aren't ruled by psychopaths, and it serves their interests to do so. The rest of the world is waking up to how weak they really are. It's likely too late for them to reverse their welfare states and regain any kind of sovereignty.
I do think the non enforcement thing is real though and always has been
Let's just say we decided to go completely nuts and launch missiles into British Columbia. The Brits will just make some statements about how crazy we are. But what are they going to do about it? Not a damn thing and the whole world knows it.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 12:01 pm to coolpapaboze
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This only exists if the strongest nations go along with it,
Seems rare that they do
Bibi has been defined as a war criminal for years and there has been no consequences
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