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re: Anti-First Amendment Rights LGBT activist decry Kansas new law

Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:22 pm to
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Hey why not allow faith based deprivation of rights based on color? Yay let's go back to Jim Crow!

Jim Crow REQUIRED discrimination. It was the LAW. It forced you to discriminate even if you preferred not to. I mean, just in case you are confused as to the difference between individual liberty and government mandates. I mean, ya know....along with your general confusion.
Posted by Cruiserhog
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:45 pm to
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i wonder if those businesses will serve couple who have sex outside marriage?



What does hypocrisy have to do with the violation of rights


he is calling out the fact that 'religious ground' meant cherry picked morals, dont scream Christian religious values if you are not stoning your neighbor to death for working on Sunday
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 4:13 pm to
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he is calling out the fact that 'religious ground' meant cherry picked morals, dont scream Christian religious values if you are not stoning your neighbor to death for work


You didn't answer my question at all. Just doubled down his false assertion.

Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 4:26 pm to
Well, since you cherry pick scripture to attack others beliefs, you should be forced to live by the very standard you are dictating for them. You will be forced to live in what you have cherry picked for your purposes and actually stoned to death. How dare you cherry pick and seek punishment of others when you are exactly what you claim they are.
It won't be the Christians that will stone you to death. It will be the Muslims that we must be tolerant of and not offend them with videos and such.

See, Christianity in the U.S. is tolerant of others. Christians aren't going to gay businesses and demanding they cater to them or face retribution with government force. Nope. That's the lgbt activist that are just like the Muslims that they defend and claim that Christians are intolerant Islamaphobes.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted by GoBigOrange86
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 4:28 pm to
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Yay let's go back to Jim Crow!


Jim Crow refers to public actions undertaken by the government. The bill in question refers, as far as I can tell, to private individuals.
Posted by RTOTA
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2010
588 posts
Posted on 2/14/14 at 4:58 pm to
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Hell, why do we have blood screenings. That is most discriminatory. Those should be done away with and if you get a transfusion of blood that has HIV, well, you should feel better knowing that you were anti-discrimination

Too much stupidity up in this thread
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 5:51 pm to
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Chill out. Are you saying discrimination is OK? Hope not. What does all this have to do with voting? and, if you read my posts, I am asking the question of what is the issue? Does a private business retain the right to discriminate? If so we are back at segregated lunch counters. Wasn't this settled years ago?


Not only is discrimination "okay"...it's a basic human right. To reject the company of them whose behavior we find repulsive, societally corrosive and/or immoral, and downright dangerous in some cases is an instinctual pillar of human survival and prosperity.

If you want my right to discriminate...you'll have to pry it from... .

Jeaux...come on buddy...laws against hurtin somebody's feelings. God almighty...with Fundy Islam on a tear to wipe us all out. Homos...first offed.

"Liberalism is a mental disorder". Michael Savage.

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 5:51 pm to
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You are exactly right. Sammy is asking people to defend their conscience and beliefs to him. I don't worship Sammy so why in the hell does he think I must answer his questions. He is the hypocrite just like those lgbt activists that are using government force on others.


I am not asking them to defend their conscience i am just pointing out they follow it selectively.

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If that speech is so immoral, then why should gay men be allowed to continue to have the "privacy" to have indiscriminate sex? The lgBIt rights groups are protecting privacy that brings disease to unsuspecting wives and girlfriends. What does he say about that? Maybe the rest of society has the right to demand that all be tested for STD's, HIV, hep, etc and that those people infected with those diseases be punished with jail time if they infect anyone else and participate in sexual activities.


1. what speech?
2. i think all people have the right to indiscriminate sex, gay, lesbian or straight. I forgot the part where straight men couldn't have indiscriminate sex with women.
3.

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They hide behind the "what consenting adults do isn't anyone elses business." Well, what about those people that didn't consent to their spouse having sex with others? The government power needs to stop such immoral acts now because that is much more immoral than hurting someones "feelings" with your speech and beliefs.


1. once again do you think adultery should be a crime? I don't.
2. this isn't hurting someones feeling this is legislation that would allow businesses to create an inferior class of people, but you can't see the bigger picture past the fricking cake.
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 6:13 pm to
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2. this isn't hurting someones feeling this is legislation that would allow businesses to create an inferior class of people, but you can't see the bigger picture past the fricking cake.


So pedophiles are "second class citizens" with your selective choices on what is acceptable and unacceptable sexual behaviors.
This legislation does not "create an inferior class of people." You support legislation that denies the first amendment rights that we are guaranteed by our creator, not government. You, sir, have the audacity to sit and judge this legislation and those it is written to protect from being FORCED to do something against their conscience so you shall live by the same fricking law.
You are a Jew. You must live by the very scripture you are calling out Christians for failing and judging them on. Many Jews in Germany didn't care about their Judaism and Hitler used them and when done, tossed them into the trains with the rest of the Jews.

There are no rights to sexual behaviors that aren't a part of nature in the constitution but there are religious and speech right guarantees. Those people that are completely defined by their behavior and sit in judgment of others, well, they deserve exactly what they are going to get.

See, Christians like me also deserve that same damnation, but we aren't the ones going around calling for denial of those first amendment rights. You and your "tolerant" friends are and whoa be unto you when you cry out how oppressive the tyranny you asked to be heaped upon the nation is oppressing you as well.
Jesus never "forced" others to follow him. Tyrants like Nebachanezzar (read your Jewish stories in the Bible) forced others to "bow" to his wishes. Oh but he and his people followed with what they had done to Israel. Why was Israel punished? Because they had become wicked and all did right in their own eyes.
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 6:23 pm to
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Jeaux...come on buddy...laws against hurtin somebody's feelings. God almighty...with Fundy Islam on a tear to wipe us all out. Homos...first offed.


It actually does make so much sense that they will come into power. With Judaism, God revealed to us we are but sinful, wicked men that are disobedient. We wrestle/struggle with God. We also knew that God was sending His son to be our sacrifice so we would be spared the punishment decreed as seen in the Passover. With Christ death, burial and resurrection, I no different than Barabbas, have been given a pardon for my transgressions and sins because the innocent one gave His life for me. A gift of Grace that came from God that I do not deserve.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 6:35 pm to
As long as this bill does not apply to the public sector and gov't services, I'm fine with this bill becoming law.

There should be no protected classes. The only argument I can see is handicapped and that's it.

And I support gay marriage.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/14/14 at 6:40 pm to
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I just love hypocrites who hide behind the 1st amendment, but don't follow what they preach.


Actually, your OP in this thread posed an irrelevant question that had nothing to do with the rights of private property and the freedom to be able to refuse service for any reason.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:17 pm to
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There are no rights to sexual behaviors that aren't a part of nature in the constitution


What behaviors aren't a part of nature?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:18 pm to
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There should be no protected classes. The only argument I can see is handicapped and that's it.


Preach it.
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:24 pm to
Thanks for the catch.

Nature and it's laws in the constitution.

Nature doesn't look for two male dogs to continue the species, but it uses the two different sexes. The only two there are and ever will be that we are born as. Laws are based in Truths and not in lies such as "I identify as being a woman even though my body is that of a man."
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:34 pm to
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Nature doesn't look for two male dogs to continue the species, but it uses the two different sexes. The only two there are and ever will be that we are born as.


But you could understand how many don't see nature as "looking" for anything, right? I mean, there are gay acts in nature.

What if I were to tell you that there is nothing in the constitution expressly guaranteeing heterosexual acts?

What if I were to tell you that SCOTUS has found the right to both heterosexual acts and non heterosexual acts in the constitution?

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Laws are based in Truths


Well, we like to think that. I don't believe every law is based on capital "T" truth. Just look at them.

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and not in lies such as "I identify as being a woman even though my body is that of a man."


I don't even know where you're going with this. I thought we were talking about rights that are or aren't in the constitution.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 7:35 pm
Posted by RTOTA
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2010
588 posts
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:36 pm to
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Those people that are completely defined by their behavior and sit in judgment of others, well, they deserve exactly what they are going to get. 



To LA Tiger and others, I am wondering what is it about Judaism, Islam, or Buddism that makes those beliefs untrue?
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:40 pm to
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I don't even know where you're going with this. I thought we were talking about rights that are or aren't in the constitution.


Everything about the lgbtqqiiaa rights movement is based in lies that do not exist but are mere behavioral issues of great narcissism. They do not provide any benefit to society or the continuation of it but claim they are entitled to it and their behaviors must be acknowledge as being equal and beneficial to all that the traditional marriage is. The constitution says all men are created equal. It does not say all behaviors are created equal.
Posted by los angeles tiger
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:45 pm to
What makes your beliefs true?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:58 pm to
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The constitution says all men are created equal.


No it doesn't.

So you're just not going to address the other questions I asked? Just gay rage?
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