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re: Anti-First Amendment Rights LGBT activist decry Kansas new law
Posted on 2/14/14 at 9:31 pm to Toddy
Posted on 2/14/14 at 9:31 pm to Toddy
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These GOP idiots in Kansas remind me of a dying elephant. It's all over except for the bellows. They know marriage equality is coming. So what do they do? Pass this idiotic Turn Away the Gays Bill that is never going to stand up in court.
Is there a dick going unsucked because you are posting on a Friday night?
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 9:32 pm to los angeles tiger
Andrew Sullivan has written a good article on the situation in Kansas. Below is an excerpt from it. I agree with Sullivan.
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If I am confident that this law is, in fact, a huge miscalculation by the far right, I do not mean to discount the very real intimidation and fear that many gay Kansans and their friends and families are experiencing right now. It’s appalling that any government should seek to place itself institutionally hostile to an entire segment of society. But in civil rights movements, acts of intemperate backlash are also opportunities. If this bill becomes law, and gay couples are fired or turned away from hotels or shown the door at restaurants and denied any recourse to the courts, the setback to the anti-gay movement could be severe, even fatal. Yes, of course this bill should never have seen the light of day. But now it has, that light will only further discredit the discriminators. Even they know this, hence the unhinged rationale for the entire bill: “Discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful … It has no place in civilized society.”
It sure doesn’t. And that’s why the predictable silence on conservative blogs and news sites is so telling. This is about Kansas, but it is also about the Republican party. Are there any Republicans willing to oppose this new strategy? Do the GOP’s national leaders support it? As for Democrats and the left more generally, they are lucky in their enemies. But the gay rights movement, it seems to me, should tread a careful path. We should be wary of being seen to trample on religious freedom and be defined as discriminators of another sort. Allowing space for those in society whose religious convictions make homosexuality anathema, even Satanic, is what true liberals do. And to my mind, a better approach for gay couples and their families is not to try and coerce fundamentalist individuals and businesses into catering to them, but in publicizing the cases of discrimination and shaming them – and then actively seeking out and rewarding individuals and businesses who are not so constrained.
You counter rank discrimination with economic and cultural freedom. Because the side that tries to use the power of the state to enforce a single answer is the side that will seem to have over-stepped its bounds.
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This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 9:34 pm to los angeles tiger
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Oh, you know I have gay rage because you keep asking me to frick you in the arse in front of your mother.
Strong argument. Very credible.
But I expect no less from someone who doesn't even know what the constitution says.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:01 pm to Toddy
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“Discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful … It has no place in civilized society.”
So long as the people who get to define what constitutes a civil society are on your side, there is nothing to fear.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:16 pm to Toddy
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but in publicizing the cases of discrimination and shaming them
Shaming those that do not bow to your demands is neither noble or moral. Christians aren't going to gay businesses and then shaming them for not meeting their demands. "Shaming others" instead of just choosing to go elsewhere (especially since it is about a specific event called marriage that those Christian businesses do not want to participate in). Don't call Christians judgmental and intolerant when you "shame" others for not bowing to you.
Let me remind Toddy that he and his gay cohorts will tell you that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the sin of being inhospitable to others and their guests (the angels). It is rather inhospitable to go into someone's private property and demand they do for you and then use government force and "shaming" on them.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:19 pm to Toddy
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It’s appalling that any government should seek to place itself institutionally hostile to an entire segment of society.
Gov't wouldn't be doing anything at all and should not do anything if there's nobody being hurt, stolen from or their names being slandered.
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this bill becomes law, and gay couples are fired or turned away from hotels or shown the door at restaurants and denied any recourse to the courts, the setback to the anti-gay movement could be severe, even fatal.
Only in their warped sense of civil rights are they ok with and celebratingly gloat taking away rights to protect themselves and give them an advantage over other people. That is not being the freedom loving people they claim to be.
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Because the side that tries to use the power of the state to enforce a single answer is the side that will seem to have over-stepped its bounds.
Pot meet kettle.
They need to look in a fricking mirror when they say shite like this. Protected classes are the very definition of what they hate with regards to a "state answer".
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:26 pm to los angeles tiger
quote:You homophobe you!
You do realize that a wedding is an event and suing someone for not wanting to participate in your event because of their religious reasons is a right. It is not, a right of yours to then ask them such questions as you posted, is it? If what people do in the bedroom is supposed to be private, then don't tell people you are getting married to someone of the same sex. It's no longer private and others have the right to not cater to your event because of the first amendment.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:52 pm to los angeles tiger
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Forcing people with government force to provide services in conflict of their conscience is enslavement.
Nice trick. You use the word 'conscience' instead of 'bigotry'.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:55 pm to Toddy
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Allowing space for those in society whose religious convictions make homosexuality anathema, even Satanic, is what true liberals do
Not in practice in my lifetime Andrew.
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Because the side that tries to use the power of the state to enforce a single answer is the side that will seem to have over-stepped its bounds.
Pretty much the entire strategy of the gay rights movement.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:08 pm to LSU80 USF08
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Forcing people with government force to provide services in conflict of their conscience is enslavement.
Nice trick. You use the word 'conscience' instead of 'bigotry'.
Doesn't matter if it's bigotry or a genuine disagreement with homosexuality, it's still enslavement with gov't basically saying they own your labor, your products and your services when gov't intervenes in the affairs of a private business where nobody is being hurt, stolen from or their names being slandered.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 12:21 am to Sentrius
He can't see it, man. He's too angry.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:03 am to los angeles tiger
quote:please print out this post so your grandkids can know how completely fricked up gramps was.
los angeles tiger
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:18 am to Tigah in the ATL
ATL, I disagree with you about almost everything, but it's funny to see guys like LAT who can't even answer basic questions because they're so blinded. Cheers to you on this one.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:26 am to Tigerlaff
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it's funny to see guys like LAT who can't even answer basic questions because they're so blinded.
He really has some issues. He even derails his own threads and multiple times in this one because he's so angry in every single post he submits on this board.
Even when it's not about gays, he's still so goddamn angry.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:38 am to Sentrius
Spot on, as always. Every time I get involved in this noise I think "what would Sentrius say?"
Keep fighting the good fight!
Keep fighting the good fight!
Posted on 2/15/14 at 2:59 am to Toddy
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not to try and coerce fundamentalist individuals and businesses into catering to them, but in publicizing the cases of discrimination and shaming them – and then actively seeking out and rewarding individuals and businesses who are not so constrained.
a-fricking-men
instead of forcing government on the bakery/church/whatever that doesn't serve you, go find the bakery/church/whatever that will accommodate you and make sure they get your business.
instead, the LBGT community wants to force other individuals to bow to their demands (even though they are the ones complaining that those businesses are "forcing" their views on them by not doing what they want)
its hypocritical and its pathetic. i am a supporter of gay marriage and gay rights, but they are quickly losing my support with how they've been approaching it
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:54 am to los angeles tiger
It's almost time for another LAT love letter to Toddy.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 11:28 am to los angeles tiger
Just read that this bill is not going to pass the Kansas Senate. Less than half the Republicans support it and no Democrats will vote for it so it's dead.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 11:35 am to Toddy
And not a link was given that day.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 12:03 pm to Jbird
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