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Antarctica has not warmed in 70 yrs! Scientists do pretzel twists trying to explain why.

Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:57 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123896 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:57 am
In light of all the hand wringing over Antarctic continental warming and secondary interior melts as a supposed cause of WAIS collapses, this published study matter-of-factly confirms what most of us knew all along.

First a little primer to help with some of the authors' (misused) terminology.

monotonic - varying in such a way that it either never decreases or never increases.

orography - the branch of physical geography dealing with mountains.

AIS - the Antarctic ice sheet.

latent heat - the heat required to convert a solid into a liquid or vapor, or a liquid into a vapor, without change of temperature.

condensational heating - heat evolved when a vapor changes to a liquid.

isentropic - having equal entropy.

quote:


Low Antarctic continental climate sensitivity due to high
ice sheet orography

Hansi A. Singh, Assistant Professor in the School of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Victoria, and Lorenzo M. Polvani, Professor of Geophysics
in the Department of Applied Physics and Applied Mathematics, Columbia University, NY


The Antarctic continent has not warmed in the last seven decades, despite a monotonic increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases. In this paper, we investigate whether the high orography of the Antarctic ice sheet (AIS) has helped delay warming over the continent. To that end, we contrast the Antarctic climate response to CO2-doubling with present-day orography to the response with a flattened AIS. To corroborate our findings, we perform this exercise with two different climate models. We find that, with a flattened AIS, CO2-doubling induces more latent heat transport toward the Antarctic continent, greater moisture convergence over the continent and, as a result, more surface-amplified condensational heating. Greater moisture convergence over the continent is made possible by flattening of moist isentropic surfaces, which decreases humidity gradients along the trajectories on which extratropical poleward moisture transport predominantly occurs, thereby enabling more moisture to reach the pole. Furthermore, the polar meridional cell disappears when the AIS is flattened, permitting greater CO2-forced warm temperature advection toward the Antarctic continent. Our results suggest that the high elevation of the present AIS plays a significant role in decreasing the susceptibility of the Antarctic continent to CO2-forced warming.
npj Climate and Atmospheric Science (2020)3:39; https://doi.org/10.1038/s41612-020-00143-w
Translation:

(1) The Antarctic continent has not warmed in the last seven decades

(2) The Antarctic continent has not warmed in the last seven decades

(3) The Antarctic continent has not warmed in the last seven decades

(4) The Antarctic continent has not warmed in the last seven decades

(5) If we plowed all Antarctican mountains down to sea level, Antarctica would be warmer.

(6) THEREFORE: High elevation plays a significant role in decreasing the susceptibility to CO2-forced warming.**



** Whoopsi ...

Note to warmists: You gotta make up your minds.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 4:59 am
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30218 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 5:37 am to
It’s minus 43 in portions of Antarctica right now.

But…..It’s summer time down there.




But you cannot out-pretzel these folks because they will say that the South Pole is colder than the wintertime in the North Pole.

There is always an alarm for them.
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
5454 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 5:38 am to
Global warming is a scam. I thought this was common knowledge for educated people.

Sometimes I forget liberals are morons.
Posted by Dtybur
Member since Aug 2021
45 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:12 am to
Climate change is an intentionally vague, amorphous phrase. Obviously meant to have limitless meaning, and limitless room for obfuscation. Rational, reasoned observations of the earth's climatic systems would not necessarily be cause for alarm. Activism is not the realm of rationality, nor reason, nor logic. Most on this board is well aware of these. Sorry for being pedantic. I'll go back to painting houses.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:18 am to
quote:

Sometimes I forget liberals are morons.


THIS. Always THIS.

AND most are not even "liberals".

Liberals can be decent people - most of these people are leftists and extremists instead.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 6:20 am
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26157 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:25 am to
There's unequal distribution of global warming due to a skewed distribution of excess gaseous carbon production between the northern and southern hemispheres.

It turns out 95% of excess GG's are generated north of the equator, leading to rapid warming in northern polar and subpolar regions, and glacial melts. Not so much in the south--southern subpolar lands like South Georgia, The Falklands, and Tierra Del Fuego have only warmed by a couple degrees since the 1950's, while their northern counterparts in Scandinavia, Siberia and Greenland have warmed by up to 10°F in the same time interval
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27117 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:27 am to
quote:

There's unequal distribution of global warming due to a skewed distribution of excess gaseous carbon production between the northern and southern hemispheres.



And here is the mind pretzel...
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11110 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:34 am to
quote:

climate models




Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
6911 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:34 am to
quote:

There's unequal distribution of global warming due to weather stations in the coldest parts of the world going offline for budgetary and/or political concerns.

Fixed it for them
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:40 am to
quote:

pretzel twists


And did the same twist when trying to explain when the US went through a major hurricane drought for 12 years ('05-'17)

WAPO explanation for the drought

quote:

The answer is anything but simple. There are some major oddities of hurricane behavior in the North Atlantic basin — the region that includes the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico — that continue to puzzle scientists and spark debate. Surveying them helps explain where we now find ourselves — and also, how dangerous complacency about hurricane risks, triggered by long periods of calmer activity or fewer storm strikes, can too easily set in.


Here's the best part:

quote:

Hurricane patterns in the Atlantic present a long-standing puzzle.


They do? Apparently not to the climate alarmist who IMMEDIATELY blame climate change when there's severe weather.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68593 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:44 am to
quote:

There's unequal distribution of global warming due to a skewed distribution of excess gaseous carbon production between the northern and southern hemispheres.



Why don’t we move the cattle down south then to equal it out?
Posted by canyon
Member since Dec 2003
18367 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:01 am to
You don’t know that.
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
3140 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:03 am to
Guys, just trust the science.

Just like when saying natural immunity gained from a COVID infection was a good thing would get you banned from multiple social media platforms.

Just like when Biden said this was a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Just like when Dr. Catherine O'Neal said if you didn't choose the vaccine, you were choosing death.

Science is constantly changing and evolving. Unless someone disagrees with the scientist. Then it's settled.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20018 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:04 am to
quote:

There's unequal distribution of global warming


“Certain Parts of the Global Warming” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

quote:

southern subpolar lands like South Georgia, The Falklands, and Tierra Del Fuego have only warmed by a couple degrees since the 1950's, while their northern counterparts in Scandinavia, Siberia and Greenland have warmed by up to 10°F in the same time interval


What historical context can we point to that the referenced variation in temperature over a 70 year period in these locations is significant?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39273 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:11 am to
quote:

latent heat - the heat required to convert a solid into a liquid or vapor, or a liquid into a vapor, without change of temperature.

Niggling comment, but that is the latent heat of fusion. The latent heat of vaporization is different.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:14 am to
quote:

northern counterparts in Scandinavia, Siberia and Greenland have warmed by up to 10°F in the same time interval


Do what? No they haven't...not even close.

quote:

From 1969 until 2019, the average global temperature has increased by almost 1 degree. But certain parts of Siberia are now 2 to 4 degrees warmer than they were 50 years ago, 
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10822 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:16 am to
An inconvenient truth:

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
24920 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:19 am to

The big question is where is all that extra heat HIDING? They insist it must be out there somewhere. It HAS to be.



The Warmists simply haven't found it yet.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39273 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:21 am to
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Note to warmists: You gotta make up your minds.

The global warming cabal has exaggerated and gaslighted us for decades using the same sophomoric techniques that you use on them in your OP. They are very deserving of criticism, but you did not lay a glove on them.

The temperature trend in Antartica does not mean a whole lot on its own. The trend of average temperature of the earth is the salient point. The earth is, in fact, warming. You don’t accomplish anything by pointing out that scientists are studying why that warming is uneven.

If you have a critique explaining that the earth isn’t warming as much as they say (as I believe) or that something besides greenhouse gas is causing all of it, then let’s hear it. If not, leave the growups alone.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46058 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:21 am to
quote:

There's unequal distribution of global warming due to a skewed distribution of excess gaseous carbon production between the northern and southern hemispheres.


This ^^^^ is how you explain something that is unexplainable. It won’t be too long before the climate change alarmists are blaming all the millions of smokers, grills and fish fryers we baws are firing up every weekend….lol
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