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Another bs ruling: federal judge rules it is unconstitutional to arrest illegals at court

Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:17 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:17 pm
What the frick is happening. On what planet is it illegal for ice to arrest illegals at a courtroom?

Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:18 pm to
:wah: :wah:
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:18 pm to
They just throw shite at zoo visitors and think it’s the law.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:18 pm to
SCOTUS has absolutely said they cant do this (unless this is a certified nationwide class). Assuming not, ignore with abandon.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:19 pm to
The snippet posted references "APA claims" so this ruling focuses on the formation/policymaking stage I reckon.

Is there any link to an actual story on this?
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:19 pm
Posted by latigerfan2
covington, la
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:19 pm to
ignore it, just like California law makers do every day. These are the same people who legalize fraud in their own elections. They are not serious people.
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 5:24 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

(unless this is a certified nationwide class


quote:

plaintiffs' motions for final class certification....are GRANTED
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:20 pm to
And upon ignoring it arrest any judge who tries to shelter or hide the illegal.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
20709 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:20 pm to
Already ruled on. They most definitely can be arrested at court.
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:21 pm to
It’s unbelievable that you can feel this way unless you don’t pay taxes. Even if you get a non interest bearing payment as a “refund” wouldn’t you like to see more in your paycheck? Guess not, forgot who I was posting to.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:21 pm to
An appeals court will flip this BS double quick
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:22 pm to
Pardon me, but I’m fairly certain that the time and place of an arrest is exclusively under the role of the executive branch.

The courts get to to decide later if it was lawful, but time and place? No.
Posted by Jauquismos
Member since Jul 2023
1024 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

A federal judge in California



Stopped reading here

may as well have said "Do nothing loser judge"
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:23 pm to
Your family is truly embarrassed
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

Pardon me, but I’m fairly certain that the time and place of an arrest is exclusively under the role of the executive branch.


I don't think the X content creator is being honest.

It seems the policy was ruled illegal, not that arrests couldn't occur at courts. Now the policy may have dictated how ICE was to perform arrests at court, but it's not the same thing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:28 pm to
Since I'm not reading 71 page after 500pm, here is the Gemini summary. I had it write the summary at the college level in an academic style.

quote:

## Case Overview

*Carmen Aracely Pablo Sequen, et al. v. Sergio Albarran, et al.* (Case No. 25-cv-06487-PCP) is a federal class action lawsuit adjudicated in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. The case centers on an Administrative Procedure Act (APA) challenge brought by noncitizens against recent policy changes implemented by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Department of Justice’s Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

The plaintiffs challenged two primary policy changes enacted in 2025:

* The removal of prior restrictions on civil immigration arrests executed within or near immigration courthouses.


* A blanket nationwide waiver of the historical 12-hour limitation on detentions within short-term ICE holding facilities, expanding permissible holding times to 72 hours.



Additionally, the plaintiffs asserted constitutional claims under the First and Fifth Amendments concerning the allegedly punitive, unsanitary, and inhumane conditions of confinement resulting from extended stays at the ICE field office located at 630 Sansome Street in San Francisco.

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## Arguments of the Parties

### Plaintiffs' Arguments

* **Arbitrary and Capricious Agency Action:** Plaintiffs argued that both the courthouse-arrest policies and the 12-hour-detention waiver violated the APA's reasoned-decisionmaking requirement ($5 \text{ U.S.C. } \S 706(2)(\text{A})$) because the agencies failed to provide a rational explanation for reversing long-standing policies.


* **Failure to Consider Key Factors:** Plaintiffs contended that ICE and EOIR completely disregarded the severe "chilling effect" that widespread courthouse arrests have on noncitizen attendance at mandatory immigration hearings.


* **Internal Policy Inconsistencies:** Plaintiffs argued that the nationwide detention waiver directly contradicted ICE’s own Performance-Based National Detention Standards (PBNDS), which mandate a strict 12-hour hold limit and explicitly prohibit sleeping apparatuses like beds or mats in short-term holding cells.


* **Constitutional Defects:** Plaintiffs asserted that detaining civil immigration suspects overnight or for multiple days in facilities designed strictly for temporary processing constitutes unconstitutional, punitive confinement under the Fifth Amendment and illegally restricts access to legal counsel.



### Defendants' (Government's) Arguments

* **Jurisdictional and Procedural Bars:** The government raised several threshold arguments, asserting that the district court lacked jurisdiction to issue a ruling because prior interlocutory orders were currently under appeal. They also argued that the proposed courthouse-arrest class definition was unworkably vague.


* **Non-Reviewability Under the APA:** Defendants maintained that the policies were not "final agency actions" subject to judicial review, but were instead exercises of prosecutorial discretion entirely "committed to agency discretion by law" under $5 \text{ U.S.C. } \S 701(\text{a})(2)$. They additionally argued that statutory bars ($8 \text{ U.S.C. } \S 1226(\text{e})$) precluded courts from setting aside detention decisions.


* **Substantive Justifications:** Substantively, the government argued that the rollbacks were compelled by executive orders directing federal agencies to faithfully execute immigration laws. They claimed that an influx of arrests, state-level limits on long-term bed space, and shifting operational demands necessitated the flexibility to hold detainees for up to 72 hours.



---

## The Court's Final Ruling

District Judge P. Casey Pitts ruled decisively in favor of the plaintiffs, granting final class certification and partial summary judgment while completely vacating the challenged policies.

### 1. Class Certification Granted

The Court certified two distinct plaintiff classes under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23(b)(2): a "Courthouse-Arrest Class" within ICE’s San Francisco Area of Responsibility, and a "Detention Class" consisting of individuals held at the 630 Sansome Street facility. The Court found that the definitions possessed clear legal boundaries and met all procedural requirements of numerosity, commonality, typicality, and adequacy.

### 2. Rejection of Jurisdictional Obstacles

The Court dismissed the government's jurisdictional objections, clarifying that a pending interlocutory appeal regarding preliminary relief does not divest a district court of its authority to rule on the final merits of a case. Furthermore, the Court established that the challenged enforcement guidelines and detention waivers constituted reviewable "final agency actions" under the APA, and that general statutory limitations on individual detention appeals do not bar facial challenges to broad agency-wide policy frameworks.

### 3. Merits Ruling: Arbitrary and Capricious

The Court concluded that the 2025 courthouse-arrest policies and the 12-hour nationwide detention waiver were fundamentally arbitrary, capricious, and legally deficient:

* **ICE Courthouse Policy:** The policy was flawed because ICE failed to acknowledge that it was completely rescinding immigration courthouse protections sub silentio, while offering rationales (such as non-cooperative local state jurisdictions) that logically applied only to state criminal courts, not federal immigration courts.


* **EOIR Courthouse Policy:** EOIR's policy was found to be built on the false premise that ICE had validly altered its rules, and it failed to logically justify dismissing the well-documented chilling effect on hearing attendance.


* **Detention Waiver:** ICE failed to consider viable alternatives (such as adjusting its arrest tempo) and entirely neglected its constitutional obligation to avoid placing civil detainees in presumptively punitive conditions (e.g., forcing overnight stays without beds or blankets).



### 4. Remedy of Nationwide Vacatur

Rejecting the government's plea to limit the remedy strictly to the named plaintiffs or the geographic region, the Court held that the default and proper remedy under section 706 of the APA for an unreasoned policy is to cancel the policy entirely.

> **Conclusion of the Court:** "Pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 706(2)(A), the Court VACATES both the courthouse-arrest policies (i.e., ICE Policy No. 11072.3, ICE Policy No. 11072.4, and EOIR Operating Policies and Procedures Memorandum 25-06) and the 12-hour-detention waiver (i.e., ICE's June 24, 2025 memorandum titled 'Nationwide Hold Room Waiver')."
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:28 pm to
And here at the middle school level:

quote:

## Case Overview

In this lawsuit, a group of immigrants sued the government agencies in charge of immigration—Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the immigration courts. The lawsuit was about two big rule changes the government made in 2025:

* **Courthouse Arrests:** The government took away old rules that stopped ICE from arresting people at or near immigration courthouses.


* **Longer Holding Times:** The government started allowing ICE to keep people in small, temporary holding rooms for up to 72 hours (3 days) instead of the usual 12-hour limit.



The people suing also complained that keeping people in these temporary rooms in San Francisco for so long was cruel because the rooms lacked basic things like beds.

---

## What the Two Sides Argued

### The People Suing (Plaintiffs)

* **No Good Reason:** They argued that the government broke the law by changing these rules without giving a clear and logical reason.


* **Scaring People Away:** They pointed out that allowing arrests at courthouses would terrify people and make them too scared to show up for their required court hearings.


* **Cruel Conditions:** They said that locking people in temporary holding cells for days without proper beds or blankets is a form of illegal punishment.



### The Government (Defendants)

* **We Have the Power:** The government argued that the courts shouldn't interfere because ICE has the power to decide how to enforce immigration laws.


* **Need for More Time:** They claimed they needed the 72-hour holding limit because they were arresting more people and had run out of space in their regular, long-term facilities.


* **Following Orders:** They said the rule changes were just a way of following new orders from the President to enforce the law more strictly.



---

## The Judge's Final Ruling

The judge sided with the people suing. Here is what the judge decided:

* **Groups Can Sue Together:** The judge allowed the people to sue as a large group, known as a "class action," representing everyone affected by these rules.


* **The Government Was Unfair:** The judge ruled that the government's actions were "arbitrary and capricious," which is a legal way of saying they made choices without thinking them through or explaining them properly.


* **Rules Canceled:** The judge completely threw out the new rules across the entire country. This means ICE is not allowed to use the new rules that permitted unlimited courthouse arrests and longer stays in temporary holding cells.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20973 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:37 pm to
Well since they have no jurisdiction, piss off
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14005 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:40 pm to
Trump needs to start ignoring this shite. There's an old saying among striking coal miners: "Injunctions don't mine coal."
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479292 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:40 pm to
quote:


Well since they have no jurisdiction,

Federal courts don't have jurisdiction over APA claims?
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