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re: Anna Paulina switches vote to "NO"
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:56 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:56 pm to GumboPot
quote:See this is the problem. I can't stand McCarthy. But I realize that kicking him out... did nothing but make democrats stronger. (that's why they voted unamiously for it). Not because Gaetz somehow outsmarted them.
But it ousted McCarthy which was the goal.
So you got your "revenge", but you guaranteed you lost power. Hearing people that high-fived Gaetz for getting rid of McCarthy are now b*tching about how weak Mike Johnson. It's hilarious.
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
spineless
At some point, we need representatives that don't vote for a bill that favors their constituents but harms the country as a whole. That is what gets us into this fiscal mess.
Call her whatever you want, I am just happy she is a no vote now.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
You just defined "spineless" and then said *I* had it backwards. Then you said *I* had a logic problem.
Taking a principled stance...even in the face of personal harm isn't spineless.
Her comments this morning were clearly her complaining about the position she was put in and her explaining why she felt she had to vote a certain way. She was explaining why she would have to vote AGAINST her own principles.
Changing her mind on that for any number of reasons isn't spineless...especially given the local pressure that her constituents will naturally have due to the Hurricane disaster.
Your thinking is certainly illogical. It's also extremely simple minded.
"she changed her mind therefore spineless." That's laughable.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:57 pm to cajunangelle
Why would Vivek plead with his followers to call their congressman then tell them how they feel about it? SFP told me that this won't change your representative's mind.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:57 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
So a positive outcome occurred.
A negative outcome should have never been in the cards.
quote:
How is that anything other than fantastic?
Displaying a complete lack of principles is how the original, sincere position was possible. APL (and MAGA, via "populism" and malleable terminology) has no principles.
That's why, as this thread is going on, Trump's official position is to raise the debt ceiling
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:57 pm to GumboPot
quote:
SFP told me that this won't change your representative's mind.
*in 2 hours
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:58 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Hearing people that high-fived Gaetz for getting rid of McCarthy are now b*tching about how weak Mike Johnson. It's hilarious.
There are so many threads that can be bumped
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It coming. Release the Kracken! Next time will be different. No more CRs after this one.
"12 appropriations bills"
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:58 pm to Taxing Authority
Knighting for McCarthy 
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:59 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:\
At some point, we need representatives that don't vote for a bill that favors their constituents but harms the country as a whole.
But those defending her now say she became spinless because of her constituents.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:59 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
So a positive outcome occurred.
And your very first response was to laugh at her and I assume, us.
I can assure you that in a courtroom, if a juror had decided, based up on the prosecution, that a defendant was guilty, and stated such to the rest of the jurors, and then the other jurors convinced that juror otherwise, and they flipped from guilty to not guilty, SFP wouldn't be calling said juror spineless, a flip flopper, or anything else. He'd be praising them.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:59 pm to Taxing Authority
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It coming. Release the Kracken! Next time will be different. No more CRs after this one.
Vance on he and Trump's position:
quote:
Increasing the debt ceiling is not great but we’d rather do it on Biden’s watch. If Democrats won’t cooperate on the debt ceiling now, what makes anyone think they would do it in June during our administration? Let’s have this debate now. And we should pass a streamlined spending bill that doesn’t give Chuck Schumer and the Democrats everything they want.
MOAR DEBT
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
quote:How so?
She did a completely 180/flip flop in the matter of about 2 hours.
She's learning the American people are fed up with out of control deficit spending......good for her.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:00 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
See this is the problem. I can't stand McCarthy. But I realize that kicking him out... did nothing but make democrats stronger. (that's why they voted unamiously for it). Not because Gaetz somehow outsmarted them.
So you got your "revenge", but you guaranteed you lost power. Hearing people that high-fived Gaetz for getting rid of McCarthy are now b*tching about how weak Mike Johnson. It's hilarious.
Just a little reminder. Gaetz made it his personal mission to take out McCarthy even if it was a pyrrhic victory as you characterize. It was payback for the lack of support for midterm Republicans and the sabotage of Madison Cawthorn. It was personal for Gaetz.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:00 pm to moneyg
quote:Perfect example. It's never "spineless" if you agree with it.
Spineless would be taking a stand on CRs and Omnibus budgeting but deciding to support the CR because of specific items positive for her constituents.
quote:People nailed on principle don't need to "come around". They never left.
coming around to her original principled stance
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:00 pm to MemphisGuy
quote:
I can assure you that in a courtroom, if a juror had decided, based up on the prosecution, that a defendant was guilty, and stated such to the rest of the jurors, and then the other jurors convinced that juror otherwise, and they flipped from guilty to not guilty, SFP wouldn't be calling said juror spineless, a flip flopper, or anything else. He'd be praising them.
Jurors who have no principles are just as likely to do the opposite. That's the problem with people who have no principles. The more people who lack principles means more conflict and uncertainty in society. That's not a good thing.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:02 pm to SDVTiger
quote:
Knighting for McCarthy
He was probably devastated when Eric Cantor lost his election to MAGA Dave Bratt in 2014 too.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:02 pm to moneyg
quote:I am to. But I don't think she's a hero for it.
I was disappointed in her statement this morning. I'm glad she came around.
quote:I wouldn't know.
It must suck to dislike someone like her.
quote:What are her values?
But, hey, we don't all have the same values.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:03 pm to lake chuck fan
This thread is 8 pages. I'm not reading all that. I'm guessing SFP bleeding all over it because Trump keeps winning?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:03 pm to GumboPot
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Gaetz made it his personal mission to take out McCarthy even if it was a pyrrhic victory as you characterize. It was payback for the lack of support for midterm Republicans and the sabotage of Madison Cawthorn. It was personal for Gaetz.
OK so why did people celebrate?
You describe a specifically personal victory, and there is only one Matt Gaetz.
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