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re: Angola Farm Line lawsuit will determine if forced prison labor is unconstitutional
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:45 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:45 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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correcting the wrong that occurred,
Without a time machine, that’s impossible. Revenge doesn’t correct anything.
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Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:45 pm to 4cubbies
All prisons should require work to offset the cost of the prison. Be it growing crops, pigs and chickens or rabbits. Or building things for the state such as road signs or something similar. Non violent prisoners should be required to pickup trash on roadways.
If an inmate does not want to work they should be fed something similar to Angolas Camp J food loaf. No mattress just a thin blanket and small pillow.
No television, books or weight room. They can have a place to walk around but not much else.
Prison should be very uncomfortable. Where is the incentive to stay out of prison if its like staying at a Hampton Inn? They should not be beaten or tortured but they certainly dont deserve the luxuries that are provided in the American prison system.
If an inmate does not want to work they should be fed something similar to Angolas Camp J food loaf. No mattress just a thin blanket and small pillow.
No television, books or weight room. They can have a place to walk around but not much else.
Prison should be very uncomfortable. Where is the incentive to stay out of prison if its like staying at a Hampton Inn? They should not be beaten or tortured but they certainly dont deserve the luxuries that are provided in the American prison system.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:48 pm to SallysHuman
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Crime and Punishment…. not Crime and Self Improvement.
Not everyone deserves a second chance no matter how much they claim they are reformed
Funny how everyone in prison seems to find God and religion
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:50 pm to 4cubbies
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Without a time machine, that’s impossible. Revenge doesn’t correct anything.
Why did you move the goalposts to "revenge?" Justice would be a wood chipper at 1% speed. "Forced" farming is nowhere near justice or "revenge."
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:54 pm to 4cubbies
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read up on convict leasing
Convict leasing had certain practical benefits. Economic efficiency was a central justification: leasing convicts allowed states to generate revenue without funding prison infrastructure, and companies saved significantly on labor costs. For example, Birmingham convicts cost 39 cents per day compared to $1.75 for free labor, and coal could be mined for 6–7 cents per ton using convict labor versus 50 cents with free labor. State revenue from leasing became a major financial lifeline—Alabama derived nearly 73% of its annual revenue from the system in 1898. Some argued it provided reformative labor and helped maintain order in overcrowded prisons,
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:56 pm to 4cubbies
quote:They did a crime or at lease was convicted of one. Do the time. Three hots and a cot is probably a better living situation than many of these would have on the outside. If treated humanely, i.e., water when needed, meals provided during the lunch time, healthcare available if needed, etc., then I don't see a problem with it but I would give them some credit for the work against their sentence (as in some formula for work time reduces length of stay)
the practice is often described as a modern form of slavery.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 12:57 pm to homesicktiger
quote:where were the goalposts prior to my comment?
Why did you move the goalposts to "revenge?" Justice would be a wood chipper at 1% speed. "Forced" farming is nowhere near justice or "revenge."
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:06 pm to 4cubbies
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where were the goalposts prior to my comment?
The thread is short, read what's already been posted. You have a habit of either not quoting or short quoting what you reply to then acting like points haven't been made.
Justice isn't revenge.
Hard time isn't meant to be easy.
Punishment isn't designed to be comfortable or comforting.
The 13th and 8th amendments are not in conflict.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:10 pm to riccoar
Hey man we gotta coddle them because whitey made them act a fool. Sorry I can't even joke about that bullshite. frick these judicial activists. I understand there are things that are broken but that ain't it.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:20 pm to 4cubbies
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Without a time machine, that’s impossible. Revenge doesn’t correct anything.
It’s not about revenge. It’s about putting the perp in a situation where he can’t commit crime. Granted, leftist AWFULs such as yourself are offended by the concept, except in the case of white heterosexual men who aren’t cucks.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:22 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
Cubbies’ husband has a whistle he can blow if their house is broken into
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:22 pm to 4cubbies
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Because Farm Line workers are captive men forced to work for little or no pay under the supervision of armed guards on horseback, the practice is often described as a modern form of slavery.
They are not captive men. They are prisoners
Are we under the assumption that convicted criminals have freedoms?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:28 pm to NIH
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Cubbies’ husband has a whistle he can blow if their house is broken into
Cubbies has a husband? She seems more like the wife-wife type.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:31 pm to 4cubbies
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where were the goalposts prior to my comment?
Okay, I'll play along. You replied to a post mentioning "correcting the wrong," i.e. justice by most rational people. Your reply was "revenge." Most people with firing neurons can recognize the difference, but per your post history, it's easy to see your confusion. Any punishment a murderer/rapist/pedophile/etc. receives from our "justice system" is "revenge" to you, not justice. I agree that it's not justice, which should be a woodchipper. I can't even articulate what I would call "revenge" for them--You would melt if I could. But you want them in Club Med, or your bed, so I've read. You and I are on opposite ends of a spectrum (on this subject), and I'm content with my desire to protect/defend victims versus your support of the monsters.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:51 pm to 4cubbies
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The Farm Line constitutes cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Constitution’s Eighth Amendment
That's wrong, hard labor isn't unusual at all.
No one should be profiting from their labor, but there's nothing wrong with making them grow their own food.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:54 pm to 4cubbies
Full text of the 13th Amendment of the U.S. constitution:
Seems clear to me...
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"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction".
Seems clear to me...
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:57 pm to Harry Boutte
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No one should be profiting from their labor,
Why? Why shouldn’t their labor subsidize their incarceration, provide restitution to victims or enrich those who organize and make possible the work flow?
Angola is a maximum security long term confinement type prison… it ain’t for jaywalkers.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:08 pm to SallysHuman
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Why shouldn’t their labor subsidize their incarceration
It should insofar as it augment their food supply.
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provide restitution to victims
They're not paid NEARLY enough to provide any meaningful restitution.
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enrich those who organize and make possible the work flow?
That would be slavery, and would incentive incarceration.
But if they want to watch TV, they should have to ride a stationary bike connected to a generator.
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Angola is a maximum security long term confinement type prison
...and used to be a plantation. I have some of the bricks from what used to be a cistern on the plantation.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:11 pm to Harry Boutte
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That would be slavery, and would incentive incarceration.
Slavery as punishment is permitted.
So far as incentivizing incarceration… people don’t end up in Angola in a vacuum, a lot of things have to happen- driven by the offender to begin with.
You’re right that money made wouldn’t have been enough for restitution- but every bit is better than nothing.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:12 pm to tiger789
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Convict leasing had certain practical benefits.
Just like mass incarceration does.
Convict leasing provided an incentive to arrest and incarcerate individuals as they were leased for less than hired workers were paid. Kinda sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
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