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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:06 am to Dale Murphy
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Exactly how much in kickbacks do you think docs get from prescribing narcotics?
Any type of kickback is too much.
In 2016, the pharmaceutical industry paid over $8.19B in kickbacks to Doctors. And that's just what was reported. That's a huge problem, IMO.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:07 am to NDonahue
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]It has frequently been observed that drug prohibition tends to drive out the weaker and milder forms of drugs, and to increase the availability and use of stronger and more dangerous drugs (see, e.g., Brecher, 1972). This has been so often reported that many analysts speak of it as an "iron law" of drug prohibition. This "law" holds because milder drugs are usually bulkier, harder to hide and smuggle, and less remunerative. People involved in the illicit drug business therefore frequently find it in their interest to do business in the more compact and potent substances. For example, current interdiction efforts are most successful at capturing boats carrying many large bales of marijuana;]therefore, many drug smugglers have turned to smuggling cocaine or heroin because it is easier and far more lucrative than smuggling marijuana.
This "law" of drug prohibition captures what happened during alcohol prohibition. The major effect of the Eighteenth Amendment was to dramatically reduce beer drinking (and therefore total alcohol consumption). At the same time, prohibition increased consumption of hard liquor (especially among the middle class). The fashionableness of the martini and other mixed drinks among the middle class is in part a historical legacy of prohibition, when criminalization made hard liquor the most available form of beverage alcohol.
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:16 am to idlewatcher
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An absolute tragic situation that is unfolding. The epidemic almost appeared to happen overnight too which taxed the courts/police/rehabs on what to do. You can only lock up so many people for so long.
I really hope that DC is able to come up with a legit solution to at least blunt the impact b/c as much as I detest druggies, they need help and they need it now.
I seriously doubt that there is anyone now who doesn't know a person or family that was absolutely destroyed by opiods in some form.
As a parent and, quite honestly, a member of a community that is already being devastated... this situation is absolutely terrifying to me.
This shite is so powerful ... once it takes control of a person ... it's basically prison or death...it's just a matter of how long and how much pain will be inflicted.
I'm inclined to think that Big Pharma needs to be held accountable ... these motherfrickers profiteering off the misery and utter destruction of their fellow man.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:20 am to navy
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We'd better figure something out very quickly
death penalty for dealers of hard drugs
William Bennett advocated it 30 years ago
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:26 am to navy
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So, having lost your job and needing a fix a couple of times a day, what can you do? You start by asking, pleading and finally stealing from your own family.
This is just the beginning. Wait until bots are doing 1/2 of our work, and we are living on guaranteed income plans. Idleness will abound, with only drugs to ease the pain. Yes, then the opioid crisis we have today will be called the "good old days."
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:51 am to navy
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We'd better figure something out very quickly ... Huntington is not alone. It is out of control across our nation.
I know I'm on an island with this but frick these people. Everyone is acting like this is some super bug that infects people indiscriminately.
Partying and making poor life choices has consequences. I did my share of partying but grew up and accepted life responsibilities and always had a healthy respect or fear of the real consequences of my CHOICES.
I'm not an addict (yes amazingly even though I have taken some of these pain meds being labeled magic addiction pills. Took them as prescribed and quit when the pain was manageable.) and I should have to pay for someone else's poor life CHOICES.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 11:56 am to Dizz
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no access to the doctors who logically controlled their doses of narcotics,
Yeah, because we all know it's the doctors who have been resisting big pharm and limiting the amount of painkillers prescribed.
I just don't believe the conventional line that the prescribing of pain meds is/was the root cause of this. I just can't believe that all of these addicts started off with legitimate pain or surgery and prescriptions and it spun out of control.
Maybe a lot of people just like to get high?
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:01 pm to Snipe
I get your sentiment, but the numbers and simply what we see ... is too staggering to ignore any longer, IMO.
And, like many ... I really don't know the answer.
The only answer that I can think of is: Don't ever, ever try or use any of that shite. If a Doc prescribes it ... try to not even use it then.
Oh ... and punishments need to be more severe for these fricking druggies who steal from others.
I had this dumb bitch at a County Courthouse tell me this ...after I'd received about 1/10th cash restitution on some stolen property: "People who steal in South Carolina don't go to jail."
What. The. frick.
And...even the ones that do ... it's not for long. Then, they are back out, stealing again to score drugs.
Why do druggies have such a problem understanding "Thou shall not steal" ?
And, like many ... I really don't know the answer.
The only answer that I can think of is: Don't ever, ever try or use any of that shite. If a Doc prescribes it ... try to not even use it then.
Oh ... and punishments need to be more severe for these fricking druggies who steal from others.
I had this dumb bitch at a County Courthouse tell me this ...after I'd received about 1/10th cash restitution on some stolen property: "People who steal in South Carolina don't go to jail."
What. The. frick.
And...even the ones that do ... it's not for long. Then, they are back out, stealing again to score drugs.
Why do druggies have such a problem understanding "Thou shall not steal" ?
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
There are just as many if not more drugs inside prisons
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:09 pm to TheCurmudgeon
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I just can't believe that all of these addicts started off with legitimate pain or surgery and prescriptions and it spun out of control.
Maybe a lot of people just like to get high?
There is always a catalyst. Or a catalyst then opportunity. Watch any episode of Intervention. “So and so started using Vicodin at 15 when it was prescribed for orthopedic surgery.” It’s like... Oooooh opiates!!! But then as the story plays out for the true addict, there was a divorce or abuse or a rape or molestation.
Prescribing Norco for an ACL repair is not crazy. Hell its humane. shite can hurt. Everything we try to replace an opiate with sucks. Vioxx got pulled. But read the side effects of any Cox-2 med (Celebrex) then read the side effects of a Medrol dose pack (prednisone), then Motrin or any NSAID. They start HORRIBLE and work down to bad.
What are the side effects to opiates? Can’t shite? And if you take too much you will stop breathing. That’s it. Well if you take too much of any medication you will die.
Opiates are not without dangers, obviously. But they aren’t demon spawn. They do one thing very well. Control pain. That’s it.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:10 pm to navy
Since I have Colitis my doctor prescribes pain pill sometimes during a flare. Great thing about him is he is not a pill pusher. First time he prescribed he gave me a synthetjmic and I thanked him for not prescribing an opiod. He told me that they arent even that effective after first time taking them.
I did not wish to get into the conspiracy aspect of it where pharmaceuticals knowing people become addicted push doctors to ovee prescribe for easy money getting kickbacks in the process. I know it is extremely dirty business.
I did not wish to get into the conspiracy aspect of it where pharmaceuticals knowing people become addicted push doctors to ovee prescribe for easy money getting kickbacks in the process. I know it is extremely dirty business.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:13 pm to Wtodd
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wall.....build it and they won't come in with the shite.
We manufacture prescription painkillers here
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:19 pm to Mac
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How is a wall going to stop American doctors from prescribing American patients American made pharmaceutical opioids?
Dude, Mexico is in the game now big time. They are producing fentanyl and trafficking it here and selling it at lower cost.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:23 pm to navy
There's an Oscar-nominated Netflix documentary about this town, called Heroin(e); I'd recommend watching it to anyone who is interested in the subject.
Netflix Link - Heroin(e)
Wikipedia description:
Netflix Link - Heroin(e)
Wikipedia description:
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The documentary centers on the opioid epidemic, specifically its effect on Huntington, West Virginia, where the overdose rate is 10 times the US average. It follows police, judges, and local nonprofits attempting to help people who struggle with opioid addiction and bring them to recovery as the city grips with a growing number of heroin and prescription painkiller overdoses, and eventually, the much more potent fentanyl. Among them are three women alluded to in the film's name: Huntington Fire Chief Jan Rader who, with other emergency responders, treats overdose victims; Cabell County Judge Patricia Keller, who heads the drug court; and Necia Freeman of Brown Bag Ministry, who delivers food to women who resort to prostitution to support their addictions.
The documentary explains the use of naloxone to treat overdose victims, and explores the psychological toll on the county's first responders who see dozens of overdoses a month. It follows first responders to calls as people overdose, including one instance where a woman is revived at the counter of a convenience store while customers continue checking out nearby. There are several dozen interviews with people who have been addicted and are in recovery who discuss the effects of the drug on their lives and their efforts to recover from it.
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Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:31 pm to navy
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We'd better figure something out very quickly
Roughly 20,000 people die from prescription opioid overdoses each year. Hardly and epidemic or crisis considering double that die in traffic accidents and 600K from heart disease and cancer each.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:33 pm to When in Rome
I remember seeing something about a town in WV that was shipped 9 million painkillers in one year.
The town has about 400 residents.
The town has about 400 residents.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 1:27 pm to ljhog
Deaths are t the only negative outcome.
Caregivers were told to assess pain as a damn vital sign.
Caregivers were told to assess pain as a damn vital sign.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 1:30 pm to TheCurmudgeon
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Maybe a lot of people just like to get high?
Yep. People like to numb emotional pain as much as they do physical pain.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 3:15 pm to Snipe
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I'm not an addict (yes amazingly even though I have taken some of these pain meds being labeled magic addiction pills. Took them as prescribed and quit when the pain was manageable.) and I should have to pay for someone else's poor life CHOICES.
Maybe some people have a genetic predisposition to addiction. Maybe you should be fortunate that you aren't one of those people.
Or if you want you can ignore reality and pretend that you're awesome and everyone else sucks.
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