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re: Alleged beating by Crawford Co Arkansas Deputies caught on video NSFW
Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
I can't think of a justification for a policeman to ball up his fist and punch, or hammer hand, a suspect's head who is on the ground with 2 other officers also holding him.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 11:02 am
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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It would take an EXTREME scenario to authorize physical attacks on a suspect.
The meth head spit on the convenience store employee and threatened to cut his face off. When the cops showed up he pushed them and threw one to the ground.
That doesn't mean the cops have the right to put him in the hospital though. The meth head was released from the hospital with no significant injuries.
The sidewalk video doesn't look good for the cops. Body cam footage and store security footage will determine how fricked the cops are going to be.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:20 am to Narbona
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released from the hospital with no significant injuries.
These guys might have all watched too much professional wrestling.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Knees to the common peroneal are taught to most Leo as a way to gain control. Knees to the head and smashing head on concrete isnt lol. I think the guy who was working the head is the only one who should even be looked into
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:21 am to Narbona
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The meth head spit on the convenience store employee and threatened to cut his face off. When the cops showed up he pushed them and threw one to the ground
Sounds like they'll get away with it at least from a personal liability stance. Line of duty and all.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Explain to me why a physical attack is necessary to restrain a suspect? Trying to knock him unconscious to make it easier or what?
I will concede that anyone who has never been a LEO, and been in those types situations, will have a hard time grasping the things that happen in split seconds, yet feel like an eternity to those involved.
Case in point, the first time I ever experienced it as a LEO I was actually off duty. I'm riding through town and see two local PD Officers struggling to restrain a perp on the side of the road. They were on the ground struggling just like this video depicts. I stopped, announced who I was, and then joined in to assist in the arrest.
I was in my mid twenties, worked out religiously, and was strong as an ox. The two other officers were young guys, and in good shape as well. Mind you, I was about 200 pounds, and in very good shape. The perp was maybe 125-130 pounds, and it was an all out war to get him restrained enough to even get cuffs on him.
Come to find out, the perp was strung out on heroin, and that combined with his adrenaline dump, made him almost uncontrollable.
All three of us were fully trained in PPCT, as well as every other force restraint method given to us at the time. Unless you've been there, and done that, there is no way the average person can have a complete comprehension of what it's like.
I'm not defending the cops in the video, nor am I condemning them. All I'm saying is that a rush to judgement, due to an emotional response, is unwarranted.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:05 pm to GWM
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I'm not defending the cops in the video,
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That aint no "beating" That is a perp doing a lot of resisting, and the Deputies are doing a good bit of attempted restraining ! The Police use of force continuum clearly states that any action by a perp can be met with the next highest force listed on the continuum. Nothing to see here folks, that aint no beating, that's just police doing what they're legally allowed to do !
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:07 pm to Lucky_Stryke
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Knees to the common peroneal are taught to most Leo as a way to gain control.
and they're always 100% effective, because the manual says so
Oh, wait.....the manual didn't take into account the perp being on mind/pain altering drugs where he can't even feel pain, and has superhuman strength due to the drugs/adrenaline rush that he's experiencing
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:12 pm to Flats
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quote: I'm not defending the cops in the video, quote: That aint no "beating" That is a perp doing a lot of resisting, and the Deputies are doing a good bit of attempted restraining ! The Police use of force continuum clearly states that any action by a perp can be met with the next highest force listed on the continuum. Nothing to see here folks, that aint no beating, that's just police doing what they're legally allowed to do !
Explaining the situation is not "defending". Good try though.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:15 pm to GWM
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Explaining the situation is not "defending". Good try though.
I can't imagine why people don't trust law enforcement.
Yeah, this is totally NOT defending them.
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Nothing to see here folks, that aint no beating, that's just police doing what they're legally allowed to do !
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:18 pm to GWM
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All three of us were fully trained in PPCT, as well as every other force restraint method given to us at the time. Unless you've been there, and done that, there is no way the average person can have a complete comprehension of what it's like.
In this situation did you seem is necessary to smash head into pavement or give the person headshots while on the ground being held by those other officers?
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:23 pm to oklahogjr
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In this situation did you seem is necessary to smash head into pavement or give the person headshots while on the ground being held by those other officers?
We did what was necessary to subdue the perp and gain control of the situation. If that offends you, I'm not the least bit concerned/sorry.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:29 pm to GWM
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We did what was necessary to subdue the perp and gain control of the situation. If that offends you, I'm not the least bit concerned/sorry.
Either a cop or a cop wannabe. Either way, if this is how you see the situation, you should never be in law enforcement.
Those 3 idiots are a fine example of why people don't trust cops. And Uvalde.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:40 pm to BayouBlitz
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Either a cop or a cop wannabe. Either way, if this is how you see the situation, you should never be in law enforcement. Those 3 idiots are a fine example of why people don't trust cops
Thank you for further validating my point. You're nothing but another minion making a rash/emotional decision based from a 30 second video, without knowing the totality of the circumstances. It's amazing to me the number of people who need to retreat to their safety space, and get some warm milk after seeing this video.
As for me, you get part of your wish. I'm now retired, but that's after three decades as a LEO, and Govt service.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:42 pm to GWM
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We did what was necessary to subdue the perp and gain control of the situation. If that offends you, I'm not the least bit concerned/sorry.
You aren't offending me. You also aren't answering the question.... So what was the necessary force used? I'm looking to understand how it was handled in your example situation, compared to the one on video.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:58 pm to GWM
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All I'm saying is that a rush to judgement, due to an emotional response, is unwarranted.
What in the frick?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:00 pm to GWM
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We did what was necessary to subdue the perp and gain control of the situation.
Other than vengeance (for him disobeying you) or trying to make him unconscious, what is accomplished by smashing his head into the sidewalk?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:01 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Thank God the perp is white. Arkansas would be on fire if he wasn't.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:02 pm to GWM
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Thank you for further validating my point. You're nothing but another minion making a rash/emotional decision based from a 30 second video, without knowing the totality of the circumstances. It's amazing to me the number of people who need to retreat to their safety space, and get some warm milk after seeing this video.
If all you have is boomermeemes, I'd love to have been able to cross examine you in court and then file perjury charges on you after the fact.
I'm not emotional about this. I am just a defender of our rights against thugs like you who can't even muster the most limited amount of intelligence to defend your animal-like behavior.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
So where's Antifa and BLM? Oh wait....
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