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re: Alan Dershowitz: Cohen 'Pleading Guilty to a Crime that Doesn't Exist'
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:31 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:31 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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This is dangerous territory our justice dept. is moving into
What I have watched unfold over the last year is one of the saddest things I've ever witnessed. I don't even like Trump much and I hoped Mueller would get to the bottom of the Russia stuff.
But nope - this investigation day-by-day confirms my worst fears about it from the beginning. It becomes more and more apparent that it had nothing to do with Russia and is 100% out to destroy everyone associated with Trump until they either bury him under overwhelming corruption by association or they get to him themselves. This has become a highly disturbing chapter in our nation's history and I'm very worried about how this story ends.
Perhaps what pisses me off the most is how the Left cheers on every action and doesn't give a frick about these police state tactics and the double standard of justice that is so blatantly obvious that I sometimes think I am losing my own sanity. Liberals are not supposed to be okay with this behavior from the government. Dershowitz seems to be the only reasonable Democrat left on this issue.
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:32 pm to Deuces
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Trump paying these women off could’ve easily happened even if he wasn’t running for office. You can’t say that a person wouldn’t do it to spare their family and him embarrassment in his own life.
Exactly. And add in the fact that candidates are allowed to use campaign funds to reimburse themselves for personal money spent. Trump spent more of his personal money than he received in donations. He is immune to campaign finance charges.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:34 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
He is only referring to the payment of hush money to bimbos.
But it was not campaign funds used. Trump used his own money.
Cohen made the plea to smear Trump to receive lighter charges for his actual malfeasance.
But it was not campaign funds used. Trump used his own money.
Cohen made the plea to smear Trump to receive lighter charges for his actual malfeasance.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:41 pm to Revelator
Douchowitz is #Fakenews
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:47 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:Indeed.
This is why I said in my previous post that I am highly uncomfortable prosecutors allowing defendants to plead guilty to non crimes.
Think about how they've wormed their way along here.
Cohen should have never been accessible under their mandate.
They got to investigate Cohen because the Dossier which Hillary paid for claimed Cohen was in Prague talking to "Russians". The claim was a lie. It was easily disprovable, but Mueller convinced some nitwit to grant warrants to "take a look", just in case. He audaciously seized the opportunity to raid Cohen's offices, knowing Trump was Cohen's only client.
In the questionable raid, they uncovered the PTL tapes. The PTL tapes constitute no crime. But as a plea arrangement, they got Cohen to cop a plea as if they were.
That plea is now being used as justification to further worm into the financing of Cohen's PTL plan. It is nuts.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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Indeed. Think about how they've wormed their way along here. Cohen should have never been accessible under their mandate. They got to investigate Cohen because the Dossier which Hillary paid for claimed Cohen was in Prague talking to "Russians". The claim was a lie. It was easily disprovable, but Mueller convinced some nitwit to grant warrants to "take a look", just in case. He audaciously seized the opportunity to raid Cohen's offices, knowing Trump was Cohen's only client. In the questionable raid, they uncovered the PTL tapes. The PTL tapes constitute no crime. But as a plea arrangement, they got Cohen to cop a plea as if they were. That plea is now being used as justification to further worm into the financing of Cohen's PTL plan. It is nuts.
And Sessions is not only allowing it to continue, he gave Mueller his blessings!
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:50 pm to Revelator
"Second, paying off women you had sex with because it's embarrassing probably doesn't fall under any of the laws you cited."
Revelator, How many cereal box tops did it take to get your law degree?
Revelator, How many cereal box tops did it take to get your law degree?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:55 pm to Revelator
Dershowitz is like the Trump Tower meeting.
First.....Crime that Doesn't Exist
Then....it MAY be a crime
Next week ..... I wasn’t talking about that being a crime
First.....Crime that Doesn't Exist
Then....it MAY be a crime
Next week ..... I wasn’t talking about that being a crime
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:57 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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First.....Crime that Doesn't Exist
Then....it MAY be a crime
Next week ..... I wasn’t talking about that being a crime
Never was a crime.
Was always appropriate.
People claiming otherwise are lying hacks
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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toward its hyperpartisan goal of gaining access to Trump's Tax Records.
I have heard this too.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:02 pm to Turbeauxdog
People claiming otherwise know how to read and understand the United State Code.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:05 pm to thingshavechanged
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People claiming otherwise know how to read and understand the United State Code.
No they read what the want into the code so they can believe silly things.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Think about how they've wormed their way along here.
Cohen should have never been accessible under their mandate.
They got to investigate Cohen because the Dossier which Hillary paid for claimed Cohen was in Prague talking to "Russians". The claim was a lie. It was easily disprovable, but Mueller convinced some nitwit to grant warrants to "take a look", just in case. He audaciously seized the opportunity to raid Cohen's offices, knowing Trump was Cohen's only client.
Exactly, which is why I say that having defendants plead guilty to crimes that are not crimes in order to expand an investigation is very very dangerous. Cohen pleading guilty to tax fraud does not advance the investigation towards Trump. People really need to think about the enormous step the DOJ took in regards to future investigations, a step that is not going to be challenged in court unless Cohen decides to challenge his plea.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:08 pm to thingshavechanged
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Revelator, How many cereal box tops did it take to get your law degree?
How can you have a campaign finance violation when Trump was using much of his own money?
Was the money given to Trump as campaign contributions a different color than Trump's own money?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 5:02 pm to thingshavechanged
quote:Yes.
Those are crimes that most definitely exist.
They definitely do.
So do murder, rape, etc.
It is just that NONE OF THEM ARE APPLICABLE HERE.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 5:08 pm to thingshavechanged
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Revelator, How many cereal box tops did it take to get your law degree?
I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
And it’s not a crime to pay women off because it could be embarrassing. Further, it’s not a campaign expense. Just like it wouldn’t be a campaign expense to pay for your mom to move out of a trailer because it would be embarrassing to have her in a trailer.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 5:14 pm to the808bass
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It was a political plea deal. Make Trump look bad and we’ll give you less prison time.
The campaign finance stuff is what confuses me, I'm a recovering lawyer and I read the statute and I'm not sure this is anything. The only thing they have him on is some income tax crap and a bogus bank fraud charge that you and I would never be prosecuted for....not disclosing some personal debt that is not reported on a credit bureau. People do that all the time when applying for HELOC's. the bank fraud one usually gets you a fine and minimal jail time at best and the income tax beef maybe gets you a fine and 8-12 months at Club Fed......at best.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 6:25 pm to Revelator
Dershowitz helped OJ walk so I'm surprised conservatives like him.
His politics are related to Israel. He likes Trump since Trump is Netanyahu's buddy.
His politics are related to Israel. He likes Trump since Trump is Netanyahu's buddy.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 6:38 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Correct.
The campaign finance stuff is what confuses me, I'm a recovering lawyer and I read the statute and I'm not sure this is anything. The only thing they have him on is some income tax crap and a bogus bank fraud charge that you and I would never be prosecuted for....not disclosing some personal debt that is not reported on a credit bureau. People do that all the time when applying for HELOC's. the bank fraud one usually gets you a fine and minimal jail time at best and the income tax beef maybe gets you a fine and 8-12 months at Club Fed......at best.
Same thing with Trump and collusion, right?
The campaign finance stuff would get laughed out of court.
But it is also happened to be the only hope they had to tie any of this to Trump.
So a plea, circumventing court while implicating Trump, was critical.
That's what it's about.
It is about continuing to weasel expansions into the inquiry until they can actually find something, anything, prosecutable to charge Trump with.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 6:38 pm to Revelator
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First off, Trump used plenty of his own money in his campaign. How could anyone know if the money used was Trump's own or campaign contributions? Second, paying off women you had sex with because it's embarrassing probably doesn't fall under any of the laws you cited.
Lastly, many, many people have broken campaign finance laws and their only penalty was a fine. To pretend that Cohen would have faced any real jail time for illegal campaign contributions is ridiculous.
I think your forgetting about Dinesh D'Sousa, remember how Obammy's DOJ lackeys railroaded Dinesh for exceeding campaign contribution limits by using other people's names. I think he may have been the first American to go to jail for that offense.
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 6:41 pm
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