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re: AL AG rules Hoover officer justified in deadly Thanksgiving night shooting at Galleria

Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20263 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:28 pm to
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funniest thing to me is the silence from the nra and such when legal gun owners/carriers are gunned down by the police they don't say a word. Not much else violates your 2A more than being killed for doing so




Except the fact remains while he was a legal gun owner he was using the gun illegally in a mall that had a "no gun" policy. Facts do matter.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:33 pm to
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Except the fact remains while he was a legal gun owner he was using the gun illegally in a mall that had a "no gun" policy. Facts do matter


Well the NRA does oppose gun free zones
Posted by Hog Zealot
On the Flats
Member since Mar 2012
1628 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:34 pm to
He would be guilty of murder if he ran over to the guy and shot him after the fact. A CCW permit does not give you the right to play cops. It’s for self defense only. His only option was retreat or stand your ground. He was not defending himself, his child, or pregnant wife.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:35 pm to
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He would be guilty of murder if he ran over to the guy and shot him after the fact. A CCW permit does not give you the right to play cops. It’s for self defense only. His only option was retreat or stand your ground. He was not defending himself, his child, or pregnant wife


Stand your ground laws only allow you to protect your wife while she is pregnant? News to me.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19117 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:38 pm to
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Question: would EJB have been legally justified had he shot and killed the guy who had just shot his friend?




No. Legally speaking, you can’t pursue and shoot an individual and claim self defense. By pursuing and then shooting the guy who killed his friend, he would have been guilty of murder. The officers in this situation had no choice but to shoot this guy, but what if they instead chose not to? What if they instead let him run into JC Penny’s armed and he began blasting away at the guy who shot his friend? What if he missed and killed bystanders?

Also, have you ever been into the JC Penny’s in that mall? It’s not easy to navigate, it’s close quarters and there are plenty of spots to take cover and ambush someone. That’s a much much different environment than the open area of the mall where he was shot. Shooting an armed man who was in pursuit of another armed man before he reached the interior of a large dept store was absolutely justified. Stop complaining about this idiots death and thank god dozens weren’t killed in a potential shootout
Posted by Hog Zealot
On the Flats
Member since Mar 2012
1628 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:39 pm to
Quit being obtuse.

Y’all are quite good at killing babies though.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20263 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Cops being able to legally kill you because they think you are going to commit a crime... is crazy




How so? In a situation like the one that presented itself, it is totally understandable that it played out that way. You know if you have a gun in a crowded mall when it was a gun free zone and you are involved in a gunfight, even just somewhat involved, you're asking for trouble.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50800 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:40 pm to
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Well the NRA does oppose gun free zones


Me too. How is that relevant to this discussion?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140845 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:40 pm to
Just think of this like a late term abortion.
Posted by Muff
The dirty south.
Member since Oct 2014
527 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:44 pm to
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No. Legally speaking, you can’t pursue and shoot an individual and claim self defense. By pursuing and then shooting the guy who killed his friend, he would have been guilty of murder.


What if his friend was still alive but critically injured? Let's say he shot the guy while he was pointing the gun at his friend.

If the cops weren't present and he saved his friend he would be called a hero. Cops are present and shoot him dead before he can defend his friend.. he is a bad guy? I don't like the double standard.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:45 pm to
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Just think of this like a late term abortion


But his mom wanted to keep him or she wouldn't be going nuts right now this is more like a government death panel
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29726 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:47 pm to
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I don't like the double standard.


let's be honest, what you don't like is that we aren't going to see a cop hung out to dry
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19117 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:47 pm to
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Stand your ground laws only allow you to protect your wife while she is pregnant? News to me


Stand your ground laws do not allow you to pursue and then shoot an individual. If someone is kicking in your door to rob you, you have a right to shoot them and defend yourself and those inside. You do not have the right to chase the same guy down the street and then kill him. Same applies in this situation. He had the right to defend himself when the first guy started shooting. Once he ran away into JC Penny’s he did not have the right to pursue and then shoot him. That’s why it’s knows as a “stand your ground” law and not an “armed pursuit” law.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50800 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:47 pm to
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What if his friend was still alive but critically injured?


His friend is still alive.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29726 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:50 pm to
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That’s why it’s knows as a “stand your ground” law and not an “armed pursuit” law.



Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19117 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:56 pm to
The moment this guy gave chase, he gave up his right to self defense. He was in armed pursuit which made him a danger to everyone in that mall, and that is the point his defenders don’t want to accept. It doesn’t matter if his friend got shot and the shooter is running away, law enforcement cannot allow an armed individual to pursue another armed individual into a crowed dept store and risk the lives of others.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8521 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:22 pm to
Dude, you just nailed it. Had this fiasco made it inside JCP, there are a million bad scenarios that could have happened to include a hostage situation. I clean, well placed shot prevented it!
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19117 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:44 pm to
Bumping this for the idiot that started his own thread about it.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:08 pm to
These dumb frick parents/protesters just burned an American flag outside of Hoover City Hall and say they are going to protest anywhere in Hoover they want.

Hoover PD stacked
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