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re: AL AG rules Hoover officer justified in deadly Thanksgiving night shooting at Galleria
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:28 pm to mb_
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:28 pm to mb_
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funniest thing to me is the silence from the nra and such when legal gun owners/carriers are gunned down by the police they don't say a word. Not much else violates your 2A more than being killed for doing so
Except the fact remains while he was a legal gun owner he was using the gun illegally in a mall that had a "no gun" policy. Facts do matter.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:33 pm to Crimson1st
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Except the fact remains while he was a legal gun owner he was using the gun illegally in a mall that had a "no gun" policy. Facts do matter
Well the NRA does oppose gun free zones
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:34 pm to bmy
He would be guilty of murder if he ran over to the guy and shot him after the fact. A CCW permit does not give you the right to play cops. It’s for self defense only. His only option was retreat or stand your ground. He was not defending himself, his child, or pregnant wife.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:35 pm to Hog Zealot
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He would be guilty of murder if he ran over to the guy and shot him after the fact. A CCW permit does not give you the right to play cops. It’s for self defense only. His only option was retreat or stand your ground. He was not defending himself, his child, or pregnant wife
Stand your ground laws only allow you to protect your wife while she is pregnant? News to me.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:38 pm to bmy
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Question: would EJB have been legally justified had he shot and killed the guy who had just shot his friend?
No. Legally speaking, you can’t pursue and shoot an individual and claim self defense. By pursuing and then shooting the guy who killed his friend, he would have been guilty of murder. The officers in this situation had no choice but to shoot this guy, but what if they instead chose not to? What if they instead let him run into JC Penny’s armed and he began blasting away at the guy who shot his friend? What if he missed and killed bystanders?
Also, have you ever been into the JC Penny’s in that mall? It’s not easy to navigate, it’s close quarters and there are plenty of spots to take cover and ambush someone. That’s a much much different environment than the open area of the mall where he was shot. Shooting an armed man who was in pursuit of another armed man before he reached the interior of a large dept store was absolutely justified. Stop complaining about this idiots death and thank god dozens weren’t killed in a potential shootout
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:39 pm to bmy
Quit being obtuse.
Y’all are quite good at killing babies though.
Y’all are quite good at killing babies though.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:39 pm to bmy
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Cops being able to legally kill you because they think you are going to commit a crime... is crazy
How so? In a situation like the one that presented itself, it is totally understandable that it played out that way. You know if you have a gun in a crowded mall when it was a gun free zone and you are involved in a gunfight, even just somewhat involved, you're asking for trouble.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:40 pm to bmy
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Well the NRA does oppose gun free zones
Me too. How is that relevant to this discussion?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:40 pm to bmy
Just think of this like a late term abortion.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:44 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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No. Legally speaking, you can’t pursue and shoot an individual and claim self defense. By pursuing and then shooting the guy who killed his friend, he would have been guilty of murder.
What if his friend was still alive but critically injured? Let's say he shot the guy while he was pointing the gun at his friend.
If the cops weren't present and he saved his friend he would be called a hero. Cops are present and shoot him dead before he can defend his friend.. he is a bad guy? I don't like the double standard.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:45 pm to roadGator
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Just think of this like a late term abortion
But his mom wanted to keep him or she wouldn't be going nuts right now this is more like a government death panel
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:47 pm to bmy
quote:let's be honest, what you don't like is that we aren't going to see a cop hung out to dry
I don't like the double standard.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:47 pm to bmy
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Stand your ground laws only allow you to protect your wife while she is pregnant? News to me
Stand your ground laws do not allow you to pursue and then shoot an individual. If someone is kicking in your door to rob you, you have a right to shoot them and defend yourself and those inside. You do not have the right to chase the same guy down the street and then kill him. Same applies in this situation. He had the right to defend himself when the first guy started shooting. Once he ran away into JC Penny’s he did not have the right to pursue and then shoot him. That’s why it’s knows as a “stand your ground” law and not an “armed pursuit” law.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:47 pm to bmy
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What if his friend was still alive but critically injured?
His friend is still alive.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:50 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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That’s why it’s knows as a “stand your ground” law and not an “armed pursuit” law.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 3:56 pm to dcbl
The moment this guy gave chase, he gave up his right to self defense. He was in armed pursuit which made him a danger to everyone in that mall, and that is the point his defenders don’t want to accept. It doesn’t matter if his friend got shot and the shooter is running away, law enforcement cannot allow an armed individual to pursue another armed individual into a crowed dept store and risk the lives of others.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 4:22 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Dude, you just nailed it. Had this fiasco made it inside JCP, there are a million bad scenarios that could have happened to include a hostage situation. I clean, well placed shot prevented it!
Posted on 2/5/19 at 5:44 pm to 4Ghost
Bumping this for the idiot that started his own thread about it.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:08 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
These dumb frick parents/protesters just burned an American flag outside of Hoover City Hall and say they are going to protest anywhere in Hoover they want.
Hoover PD stacked
Hoover PD stacked
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